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Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by linkdd »

adkadskhj wrote: post #461
linkdd wrote: post #450

The whining about this game is becoming annoying. Why are people so entitled ? "But it's not what they promised" don't buy it then "But the game is bugged" don't buy it then "But the game is expensive and it should not be" don't buy it then There are tons of game stores, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM provide a refund policy. Why would you whine about your game ? Just. Get. A. Refund. "But they lied about the game" It'…

You're not understanding the market though. You're talking about it like it's a tool. Instead, it's entertainment and hype - a combination people emotionally invest in. They're not upset the tool can't do the job; they're upset that their emotions are left hanging. It's a movie without a climax. It's Game of Thrones. A refund doesn't touch on the core of why people are upset with Cyberpunk in the same way that a refu…

Fair point.

For what's it's worth, I would never invest my emotions in a product (aka: i would never pre-order and follow the hype). That's "How to get disappointed 101".

I do not expect miracles from movies/games/whatever. I let them surprise me (aka: no trailers, no reading reviews, making my own opinion of the material).

If I was expecting to buy only good games, either I would not buy a lot or I would be disappointed a lot.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by jonwinstanley »

Barrin92 wrote: post #449
aranelsurion wrote: post #115

I think most of the negative sentiment against Cyberpunk 2077 comes from three sources: 1) Some players expected this to be cyberpunk-themed RDR2/GTA5. It turns out it's nothing like that, it's more like a new Deus Ex game. 2) It just doesn't run on consoles. It's a very inferior experience, unless you're the type who can be happy with 2020 movies in .3gp format in your old Nokia phone. Having watched a video ( https…

>Some players expected this to be cyberpunk-themed RDR2/GTA5. It turns out it's nothing like that, it's more like a new Deus Ex game. I think we're living in different worlds or something. This game is exactly like a GTA game, and nothing like Deus Ex. It's an open world game (Deus Ex games are strictly linear with open level design , not narrative, something Warren Spector was extremely adamant about). It's got the…

Well, it tries to do this but is miles from being as open or as flexible as GTA games which came out ten years ago and to compare it to RDR2 is a joke. In Red Dead, all NPCs react to you being there and have almost believable reactions to you, whereas in Cyberpunk people walk straight into you or through you.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by cwkoss »

I don't think Cyberpunk requires an internet connection.

Can anyone who has it on PS disconnect from network, refund, and then continue playing?

(Maybe it's too bad on console for anyone to want to keep playing though)

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by theshrike79 »

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #401
dawnerd wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m over 10 hours in on pc and there’s more than just “some bugs”. This game is still in alpha. I don’t know why people are being so defensive. We were looking forward to a great game and were mislead. I’m personally just gonna hold off on playing anymore until they actually finish the game.

I’m about 30 hours into the Xbox One X release and it’s a tough love. The game is unbelievably awesome when it works. Unfortunately, it doesn’t really work/play well. I have crashes every 30-45min. Glitches are so commonplace it’s clearly beta quality at best. I’ve gotten to the point where I know to have the best chance to actually play a mission I need to get to the right location (use waypoints since driving crash…

Over 20 hours in on Xbox One X, three crashes. One of them post 1.04 patch, all happened while driving around town.

Was missing Judy's dialog during the ripperdoc mission, other stuff is mostly just graphical glitches, nothing game breaking.

But as a fan of the "stealth archer" the stealth system is annoying, silenced weapons aren't actually silenced. Any shot will alert EVERYONE and they'll never calm down again, they'll even mysteriously know the gender of my character even if they never saw a glimpse of me :D

This is especially jarring for the few missions which are supposed to be "recon only" or "stealth only", where clearly getting noticed should be a mission failure. You sneak around for a long time and then you get noticed. No way to go back to stealth, so it's just a long sigh and out comes the shotgun ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by thaumasiotes »

namrog84 wrote: post #507
thaumasiotes wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming all choices are between two options, you could make this claim about any game with (five endings and...) more than three choices for the player to make. if one of the choices has three options, two choices will do the job of selecting between 5 endings. What's the point of the map, if all you're concerned about is which ending you get? If there are 40 choices with an average of 3 options each, it's still obv…

You fell into a local maxima or made an assumption that got you tunneled visioned. You can definitely have N number of choices contribute to 2 or more endings and still have every choice matter. You can have 100 choices with 3 options, and have all of the make an impact on the ending and still only have 2-3 endings. Or any number of endings between 2 and n (in your case the 12*10^m. Have each choice do a +1, 0, or -1…

The system you describe does not have the property that every choice makes a difference to the ending. Most of them still don't. An internal counter going up, without changing the ending you get, is not making a difference to the ending.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by theshrike79 »

xster wrote: post #317
aranelsurion wrote: post #115

I think most of the negative sentiment against Cyberpunk 2077 comes from three sources: 1) Some players expected this to be cyberpunk-themed RDR2/GTA5. It turns out it's nothing like that, it's more like a new Deus Ex game. 2) It just doesn't run on consoles. It's a very inferior experience, unless you're the type who can be happy with 2020 movies in .3gp format in your old Nokia phone. Having watched a video ( https…

I think the issue is rather that it's nothing like Deus Ex which has immersion. Getting augmentations were meaningful choices which alter ways you can approach explorations (such as picking up heavy items blocking vents). Stumbling upon critical information from hacked computers not only fills background info for you but makes your character more knowledgeable, and lets you use that information in dialogs to alter th…

Deus Ex made the smart choice of not being a completely open world. They had a limited number of environments, where they could design to have different routes for the player.

Attempting the same freedom in an open world is just bonkers.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by linkdd »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #455
linkdd wrote: post #450

The whining about this game is becoming annoying. Why are people so entitled ? "But it's not what they promised" don't buy it then "But the game is bugged" don't buy it then "But the game is expensive and it should not be" don't buy it then There are tons of game stores, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM provide a refund policy. Why would you whine about your game ? Just. Get. A. Refund. "But they lied about the game" It'…

> There are tons of game stores, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM provide a refund policy. Why would you whine about your game ? Just. Get. A. Refund. Uh, what? Until this announcement, SIE flat out refused people getting refunds. On Steam, you have to have played for less than 2 hours to qualify for a refund. Returns become extremely limited or downright impossible for opened physical games. https://www.polygon.com/2020…

I'm not defending CDPR. What they did as a business is not honest, viable, and does not profit to anybody.

What you describe is flat out illegal in some countries.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by theshrike79 »

KittenInABox wrote: post #337
jaypeg25 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't bother to buy it because I hardly ever buy games day 1 (RDR2 being the only exception), but the frustrating thing to me is the pre-release reviews all praised the game and while some casually talked about graphical hiccups and bugs, they really didn't dive deep into the issues and instead just gave it 9s and 10s seemingly across the board. I get part of that is because reviewers didn't have access to console…

Interestingly I think this may have been on certain spheres. For me, I only heard about the dangers of this game to people who are photosensitive or have seizures triggered by flashing lights, and also complaining that Cyberpunk 2077 reviewers without glowing reviews were facing harassment.[0] However, I'm not a gamer, I'm a science fiction writer who follows a lot of disability advocacy, so my spheres may be very di…

The game was released on Thursday, the epilepsy-inducing flashing (during braindance activation) was fixed on Sunday.

It was nowhere near the 80s/90s japanese cartoon flashing, basically two white lights flashed in alternating patterns for 5 seconds on opposite sides of the screen. In the fixed version, the light is static.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by ihuman »

linkdd wrote: post #536
acoard wrote: post #468

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>There are tons of game stores, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM provide a refund policy. Why would you whine about your game ? Just. Get. A. Refund. If you start the game, even for a second, Sony will refuse a refund on a digital download. CPDR would not allow footage of the game on PS4 to be shared, and called rumours of poor performance "fake rumours". If you boot the game up and within minutes find it an unplayable m…

Well, in some countries we have laws. In France there is a one week cancellation right. Companies are obligated to refund if asked within that week.

Not Sony

https://www.playstation.com/fr-fr/support/store/ps-store-ref...

> Après avoir acheté ce type de contenu sur le PlayStation Store, vous avez 14 jours à partir de la date d'achat pour demander un remboursement. Si vous avez commencé le téléchargement ou la diffusion du contenu acheté, vous ne pourrez pas bénéficier d'un remboursement, à moins que le contenu soit défectueux.

> After purchasing [games] from PlayStation Store, you have 14 days from the date of purchase to request a refund. If you have started downloading or streaming the purchased content, you will not be eligible for a refund unless the content is defective.

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