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Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari visitors are 30% cheaper to advertise to than Chrome visitors. Make what you will.

Because Chrome users are more likely to be duped into spending money?

Because Safari users don't have ads personalised to them.

I.e. cheaper, less relevant, less likely to convert.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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post #55
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> Users can easily choose to keep providing Facebook (and anyone else) with all the information they want. Or they can choose not to. This part hits the nail on the head. Facebook is intentionally being misleading in this campaign. I’ve had the IDFA turned off on my phone for years. Now apps have to ask for it individually. If apps have to prompt to access it, and this benefits small businesses so much, wouldn’t peop…

I am extremely torn about this thing, especially as I work in the privacy space. But it's hard to ignore the argument put forward by Ben Thompson that better tracking for facebook, actually tends to help small businesses. If you can't hyper target, you get ads for tooth paste, cars and deodorant (TV ads). If you can then you get ads for boutique florists in your area or gadgets you might actually like. I don't know w…

The way you target niche markets is by paying niche publishers who target those niche markets. The only reason this argument seems reasonable is that we're accepting that Facebook is the omnipublisher who is responsible for all information.

Supporting small publishers is at least as important as supporting small businesses. It would be nice if your small town news site got ads for local florists, they might be able to pay for a journalist without begging for direct payments. Paying directly to read journalism is stupid and will never work - people read things they hate and do not want to support, people don't know how to value the site that they read one story a week from (or how to pay that tiny amount), forcing people to pay limits the reach of your reporting when the reason you write is to convince or inform - ideally, you'd pay people to read what you write; a coupon for a local florist or the information that a restaurant is opening in your neighborhood is a nice micro-compensation.

Advertising, patronage by the wealthy, and/or ideological propagation are the only natural models for journalism, and SV giants sucking up all the advertising is destroying that. Now we're supposed to care about their problems while they pretend to care about ours.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am extremely torn about this thing, especially as I work in the privacy space. But it's hard to ignore the argument put forward by Ben Thompson that better tracking for facebook, actually tends to help small businesses. If you can't hyper target, you get ads for tooth paste, cars and deodorant (TV ads). If you can then you get ads for boutique florists in your area or gadgets you might actually like. I don't know w…

IMO this doesn't effect small business with revenue as much as it hurts their spending of marketing with facebook there are other marketing avenues that can be used by small businesses

There's an argument to be made though that hyper-targeting helps niche or smaller businesses more than a P&G who has to run a larger campaign so the IRR could drop more for smaller businesses than a large company on Facebook specifically?

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

#104

They seem to be going all-in with this campaign, complete with video cuts of reactions of "small business-owners" and whatnot: https://www.facebook.com/business/news/ios-14-apple-privacy-... This update seems to have touched a nerve for FB, and that to me means it's a good thing. I'm not a fan of Apple's restrictive ecosystem, but things like this that act in favor of user privacy deserve praise.

From the link:

> They’re not playing by their own rules. Apple’s own personalized ad platform isn't subject to the new iOS 14 policy.

Is this true?

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

#105
I felt some minor irony here...

@ Most of the folks affected by these actions of Apple and FB don't read the physical paper; I sub to NYT online so never saw the ads. (But of course, it's not aimed at the people who might be impacted but the legislators who still love paper.)

@ The newspaper sub is tied to my postal address. The ads are literally linked with pii... Which is the very thing the argument is about. (Well, I exaggerate, paper isn't tracking my actions, but still... ironic)

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

#106
Strange that with all the data about all the preferences in the world, the solution to their problem was to buy a newspaper ad because FB believes that the coalition they need to influence can still be reached directly that way.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

#107
post #44

> But in today’s world, it’s kind of transparent whom Facebook is targeting here: old white politicians. Why doesn't Facebook care about younger or non-white politicians? Are they already anti-tracking? Or hopelessly pro-Facebook? Seems pretty racist to ignore them.

Well, a) this is probably just one facet of Facebook's campaign against privacy, but b) younger, more savvy politicians are much more likely to already see through Facebook's BS. The ones who are reading newspapers regularly are the ones who Facebook can just transparently lie to and have them eat it up, because they don't understand technology (but they do understand lobbying in all its forms).

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

#108
post #58

"At Facebook, small business is at the core of our business." Has someone here worked in marketing/PR? How can people write stuff like that and not feel incredibly dirty? This is a mostly honest question. Every time some super big company starts some campaign feigning compassion or act the victim I just want to barf.

This isn't actually a lie. As much as you might hate FB using all your data for ads, that does actually mean that small businesses can hyper target their customers. I personally don't see any ads on FB for mass market products, like on TV (cards, detergent, back pain medicine etc). I see gadgets that are cool, clothes from small producers that are actually kind fo cool. They do actually help small businesses. As much…

“At the core” being the relevant keyword...

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO this doesn't effect small business with revenue as much as it hurts their spending of marketing with facebook there are other marketing avenues that can be used by small businesses

There's an argument to be made though that hyper-targeting helps niche or smaller businesses more than a P&G who has to run a larger campaign so the IRR could drop more for smaller businesses than a large company on Facebook specifically?

The real argument here, that someone else made, is that if we want to help small businesses, Facebook needs to go. In the past small businesses would just use other small, local business, to advertise.

Facebook & co are just destroying all these small businesses (local newspapers, local magazines, billboard companies, local news websites, whatever).

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

#110
post #58

"At Facebook, small business is at the core of our business." Has someone here worked in marketing/PR? How can people write stuff like that and not feel incredibly dirty? This is a mostly honest question. Every time some super big company starts some campaign feigning compassion or act the victim I just want to barf.

This isn't actually a lie. As much as you might hate FB using all your data for ads, that does actually mean that small businesses can hyper target their customers. I personally don't see any ads on FB for mass market products, like on TV (cards, detergent, back pain medicine etc). I see gadgets that are cool, clothes from small producers that are actually kind fo cool. They do actually help small businesses. As much…

> They do actually help small businesses. As much evil as they do, you can't take this way from them.

They help small businesses that make products...

by killing all the small businesses that used to help these businesses sell their products (local newspapers, local magazines, local websites, local forums, and in general local advertising companies).

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