Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Post by kennywinker » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:28 AM UTC

qz2 wrote: post #11

vlkr wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can easily replace your apple products, but not your social network apps. all your friends have to switch, too

Actually at this point I don't know anyone who uses social media applications. My kids, well teenagers, use iMessage and SMS and coordinate on Discord (that's not really a social network). My wife uses word of mouth and local referrals to run her hair business with communication via SMS/iMessage/email and a bookings app she has. All my friends use use email and iMessage. My parents both use email and/or SMS too. The…

I think your samples might be biased. tiktok has 800 million active users, Instagram has over 1 billion, and fb has 2.70 billion. Even with 100% overlap, that's still 35% of the planet

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Post by mrweasel » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:30 AM UTC

olliej wrote: post #33

mrweasel wrote: post #27

I don't understand Facebook. If personalised ads stand to lose 60% of their value, why not switch to contextual ads? Google is mainly contextual ads, with some personalisation mixed in I'd assume. If you're already on Facebooks platforms they know who you are, they have access to all the personal information that can be extracted from your Facebook account and activity. Shouldn't that be enough? What I read this as,…

Google moved away from contextual ads a decade ago. "Contextual" ads only happen on google search in the form of "sponsored" results.

Ah, okay, Google search is the only Google product I use, or where I know that the ads are from Google.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Post by rusticpenn » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:32 AM UTC

benjaminjosephw wrote: post #2

The fact that Facebook is open and proud of its end-user hostility in service to the business interests of advertisers is surely a turning point. What kind of professional integrity would allow someone to continue working on a product that doesn't even pretend to serve the best interests of its end-users? I seriously worry about the number of technology standards boards and governance groups that purport to represent…

Depends on who you define as the end user. If the end user is the advertiser, while the profiles are the product, their stand makes sense (Not arguing about ethics here).

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Post by Grustaf » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:37 AM UTC

> But in today’s world, it’s kind of transparent whom Facebook is targeting here: old white politicians.

Why doesn't Facebook care about younger or non-white politicians? Are they already anti-tracking? Or hopelessly pro-Facebook? Seems pretty racist to ignore them.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Post by Barrin92 » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:44 AM UTC

jari_mustonen wrote: post #18

> But in today’s world, it’s kind of transparent whom Facebook is targeting here: old white politicians. Is the word "white" here really that important. Is is true that within this issue there is an adversarial relationship between races and people of different skin color?

I'm not sure if the author just went for the slogan because "old white man" is basically just a phrase but his intent aside lobbyism, politics and the tech managerial class still are pretty damn white.

With Facebook's very 'old and white' American userbase and lack of people of colour in leadership I think there actually is somewhat of an adversarial relationship. Was also visible in the behaviour of Facebook towards the outgoing administration.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Post by swiley » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:48 AM UTC

eoinboylan wrote: post #34

This just makes me want to stay on IOS even more.

I love to hate on Apple, especially the damage they've done to the internet (to chat in particular) but this was definitely the right thing for them to do.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Post by qz2 » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:49 AM UTC

kennywinker wrote: post #41

qz2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually at this point I don't know anyone who uses social media applications. My kids, well teenagers, use iMessage and SMS and coordinate on Discord (that's not really a social network). My wife uses word of mouth and local referrals to run her hair business with communication via SMS/iMessage/email and a bookings app she has. All my friends use use email and iMessage. My parents both use email and/or SMS too. The…

I think your samples might be biased. tiktok has 800 million active users, Instagram has over 1 billion, and fb has 2.70 billion. Even with 100% overlap, that's still 35% of the planet

The point is more that nothing will change if they blink out overnight.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Post by sbuk » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:56 AM UTC

Grustaf wrote: post #44

> But in today’s world, it’s kind of transparent whom Facebook is targeting here: old white politicians. Why doesn't Facebook care about younger or non-white politicians? Are they already anti-tracking? Or hopelessly pro-Facebook? Seems pretty racist to ignore them.

I'd argue, that the target demographic here are the ones that likely consume their news through physical mediums, like news papers. I'd imagine younger politicians (there are sadly not many 'old' non-white politicians) consume their news online. No stats for this, or any sources, but I think it's a fairly reasonable assumption to make.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Post by TooCreative » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:57 AM UTC

Since everyone has the FB/Insta/WhatsApp apps installed, how can Apple prevent users from being tracked?

I would think when a user visits a web page, that page can deliver an insane amount of fingerprinting data along with the IP to FB. So it is easy for FB to correlate it with the users accounts which are phoning home on the same IP.

Other apps can send even more data to FB then a website. Seems hard to imagine FB can not figure out it is coming from the same phone.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Post by wdb » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 11:03 AM UTC

I think the privacy labels are a good thing. If you watch the labels for FB its while you know they do it, still shocking what they do with your personal information.