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First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by standardUser »

akmarinov wrote: post #25
ck2 wrote: post #14

Good luck to the average person getting it in the USA before March. Even with half the population refusing it because the anti-vax people might be even more crazy than the anti-maskers. Which makes you wonder which country will have covid longest.

The US vaccination plan has vaccinating non-essential (read average) people starting at around May-June, so no way it happens in March. Doctors, the elderly and other more at risk groups will get it before that.

Average people will be getting vaccines long before May. That just sounds like naysaying for the sake of naysaying. Or maybe you have inside info about which additional vaccines will be granted approval and when?

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Post by Throwaway1771 »

acqq wrote: post #233
dm319 wrote: post #180

I work here and was in clinic this morning. We had three eligible patients. One consented to it and is having the vaccine now. The other two declined. Not making a point, just a data point.

The news report that both the first (Margaret Keenan, 90) and the second person (William Shakespeare, 81) were vaccinated at the same "University Hospital, Coventry." So it's not that only one person was vaccinated there? Are you reporting only about the people you're directly in charge of, three of which where eligible, and one accepted, but still there were more vaccinated today there?

That's what I read from GP's comment.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by ulfw »

dm319 wrote: post #180

I work here and was in clinic this morning. We had three eligible patients. One consented to it and is having the vaccine now. The other two declined. Not making a point, just a data point.

If they don't want it, I'm more than happy to fly to the UK to get it.

Hong Kong doesn't seem to want to vaccinate most people before 2022

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/artic...

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by School-Cotton »

akmarinov wrote: post #25
ck2 wrote: post #14

Good luck to the average person getting it in the USA before March. Even with half the population refusing it because the anti-vax people might be even more crazy than the anti-maskers. Which makes you wonder which country will have covid longest.

The US vaccination plan has vaccinating non-essential (read average) people starting at around May-June, so no way it happens in March. Doctors, the elderly and other more at risk groups will get it before that.

> The US vaccination plan

No such thing, AFAIK

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by arethuza »

robjan wrote: post #159
varispeed wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what kind of money we are talking about? For example checking up sprained ankle at A&E? Many of my friends being disappointed with NHS go for example to Mexico for private treatment and it works much better that doing it here, plus you can enjoy the climate and great food.

Not giving medical advice but you probably shouldn't be going to A&E for a sprained ankle unless it's very serious or a suspected break. For people who are not ordinarily resident in the UK an A&E admission costs £100-£500 plus any tests and treatment. There's a small amount of margin which is used to offset the cost of recovering the money and the fact that sometimes the bills go unpaid.

Yeah most of the NHS hospitals I know have "Minor Injury Units" - I generally think that if you can make your own way there they it probably isn't one for A&E.

Mind you the last time I went for something I thought wasn't very serious (a cat bite) I was told to go to A&E pretty quickly!

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by CivBase »

prawn wrote: post #242
CivBase wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I read it. Literally the second line of my comment: > This marks the official rollout with general public availability (pending supply issues), so that's cool. It's just weird that the article refers to this dose in particular as a "historic event". Here's the line from the article I'm referring to: > Prof Stephen Powis, national medical director of NHS England, who witnessed the "historic moment", said: "We cou…

It's likely that "historic moment" is quoted as Powis said those particular words. The vaccines would be a current and global talking point. It's natural that the first post-testing vaccines would be a significant moment, that someone involved would feel it was of historic note, and that a publication would use that phrasing to accentuate the story's weight. It's the/a major story on every news site I checked this ev…

> It's likely that "historic moment" is quoted as Powls said those particular words.

That could be. Hopefully it's understandable that I didn't come to that conclusion because the article does not attribute those words to anyone.

> The vaccines would be a current and global talking point. It's natural that the first post-testing vaccines would be a significant moment, that someone involved would feel it was of historic note, and that a publication would use that phrasing to accentuate the story's weight.

Yeah, I suppose, but it's still weird to me. I don't care about the details of the first publicly administered dose. What really matters to me is that doses are now publicly available (kind of, depending on need for now).

Nothing about the "first" dose strikes me as being of historical note other than the timestamp and the milestone it represents. But I guess that's a matter of opinion and a lot of people seem to disagree with me.

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Post by natex »

J-dawg wrote: post #228
krona wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems almost impossible that the vaccines pose a greater risk than the risk of not using them. How about to a baby, or an unborn baby? The relative risk is almost certainly higher to a baby, but how high? We don't know, since there haven't been any longitudinal studies (for starters.) Which is why it would be unethical outside a clinical trial to administer it to younger people en masse. Eventually the relative…

The UK government has already stated that pregnant women won't be getting the vaccine. ( https://inews.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccine-pregnant-women... ) This seems at odds with the gung-ho "it's 100% safe" rhetoric of our politicians. I am by no means an anti-vaxxer, but I'm already finding it creepy the way any concerns are simply being dismissed. It's also just bad policy: it means that any unexpected side-effect…

The concerns are not being "simply dismissed". You just didn't take the time to read any of the material.

"JCVI recognises that the MHRA’s advice is based on the absence of evidence in pregnancy, and not on the presence of evidence to implicate toxicity in pregnancy."

It's all laid out for anyone with true concerns. Here you go: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by ulfw »

thisistheend123 wrote: post #2

I live in India. I am already hearing companies offering planned month long vacation tours to UK/US where you could get yourself vaccinated with vaccines that aren't available in India.

I'd be up for it, no doubt.

Hong Kong doesn't seem interested to vaccinate people before 2022ish.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/artic...

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by bserge »

thisistheend123 wrote: post #188
dm319 wrote: post #180

I work here and was in clinic this morning. We had three eligible patients. One consented to it and is having the vaccine now. The other two declined. Not making a point, just a data point.

Hey thanks for your comment. Could you describe in more detail how the vaccines are currently being stored in your clinic? How long does the vaccine can remain in room temperature, once taken out of clod storage. How many doses have been allocated to your clinic and on an average how many patients do you foresee being vaccinated over a short period of time, let's say a month. Also, are health workers also planning to…

I've stated this is my worry with the BioNTech/Fosun vaccine - transporting it safely to Eastern Europe. They can't seem to transport frozen fish properly, I really hope they keep that vaccine in proper conditions, otherwise it'll be rendered useless...

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by CivBase »

prawn wrote: post #246
CivBase wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then who are they quoting?

Prof Stephen Powis - the guy mentioned in the same sentence. You can see the convention continues in the very next paragraph: "The second person vaccinated in Coventry was William Shakespeare, 81, from Warwickshire, who said he was "pleased" to be given the jab and hospital staff had been "wonderful"."

Those quotes in the next paragraph are explicitly attributed to William. There is no explicit attribution for the "historic moment" quote.
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