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First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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I live in India. I am already hearing companies offering planned month long vacation tours to UK/US where you could get yourself vaccinated with vaccines that aren't available in India.

not surprising. i am shocked people aren’t hawking fakes on the dark net yet.

I am sure my Junk email box is full with offers for private vaccination already

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The pharma industry is one of the dodgiest of them all and requires rather red taping than hasty short paths. Remind me in two months. Will they write down the vaccination into the WHO vaccination booklet? [1] I'm not installing an app for this.

[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Internat...

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A 90 year old woman in a nursing home is not spreading COVID. Wouldn't it make more sense to give this to people who are most at risk of spreading it, not dying from it? Why wouldn't we go at the root cause of the pandemic; young healthy asymptomatic spreaders?

Because stopping the elderly from overwhelming the health infrastructure needs to be step 1. ICU beds are extremely expensive.

US Corona ICU survivors are being sent bills averaging $1 million. Of course, 80-90% of those didn't make it.

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Good luck to the average person getting it in the USA before March.

Even with half the population refusing it because the anti-vax people might be even more crazy than the anti-maskers.

Which makes you wonder which country will have covid longest.

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A 90 year old woman in a nursing home is not spreading COVID. Wouldn't it make more sense to give this to people who are most at risk of spreading it, not dying from it? Why wouldn't we go at the root cause of the pandemic; young healthy asymptomatic spreaders?

It's not yet known whether the Pfizer vaccine prevents an infected person from transmitting the infection to other people [1]. But there is robust evidence that is does prevent an immunised person from becoming ill. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03441-8

Could someone please explain how this can be the case? I understand the vaccine works by stimulating antibody production, which prevent you from becoming ill by binding to the virus and disabling it should it enter your system. How then could the virus be spread further if it's already been disabled?

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I live in India. I am already hearing companies offering planned month long vacation tours to UK/US where you could get yourself vaccinated with vaccines that aren't available in India.

The Pfizer vaccine won't be available privately in UK, not for a long time. So I think they will be disappointed.

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I live in India. I am already hearing companies offering planned month long vacation tours to UK/US where you could get yourself vaccinated with vaccines that aren't available in India.

The vaccine is not available privately in the UK. If you're not registered with the NHS, you're probably not going to be able to get vaccinated in the UK anytime soon. Even if you are registered, you will probably have to wait til late spring if you're under 50 with no underlying health issues.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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A 90 year old woman in a nursing home is not spreading COVID. Wouldn't it make more sense to give this to people who are most at risk of spreading it, not dying from it? Why wouldn't we go at the root cause of the pandemic; young healthy asymptomatic spreaders?

Just as a side note, asymptomatic spread is a contested topic. If asymptomatic spread were a major driver of infection, this would be the first respiratory virus to work that way.

Sources:

- Nature study, 20th Nov https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

- Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the WHO Emerging Diseases and Zoonosis unit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQTBlbx1Xjs

- Fauci in 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAvjU2LBkg&feature=emb_titl...

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because stopping the elderly from overwhelming the health infrastructure needs to be step 1. ICU beds are extremely expensive.

At this age, you don't get admitted to an ICU bed

No, you do, because no matter the age, the family members still want to have a chance of survival of their loved one. My distant relative (70 year old) was in ICU for 30 days, and on ventilator for 14 days. Yes, that is a very long time for ventilator usage, and every day more on a ventilator increases the death rate probability percentage.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not yet known whether the Pfizer vaccine prevents an infected person from transmitting the infection to other people [1]. But there is robust evidence that is does prevent an immunised person from becoming ill. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03441-8

Could someone please explain how this can be the case? I understand the vaccine works by stimulating antibody production, which prevent you from becoming ill by binding to the virus and disabling it should it enter your system. How then could the virus be spread further if it's already been disabled?

You are asking why an already infected person who receives the vaccine may still be able to spread it? The virus is still able to spread while the body fights it. In fact I'm not even sure there is a significant advantage of giving the vaccine to someone who already has the virus (as after all the vaccine teaches the body what the virus looks like and therefore how it can be tackled). This specific vaccine looks as if it simulates certain aspects of the virus, therefore not entirely necessary for someone who already has the virus I believe. But yeah - it's not like you get jabbed and you have instant immunity. Your body needs to learn to fight it, and then actually fight it - and if you already have it you are still infectious during this period.
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