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Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by Cookingboy »

seattle_spring wrote: post #853
greensquirrel wrote: post #779

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> they just never really liked the city. Pretty hard to like a city where a non-trivial portion of the residents are hating on you and blaming you and others like you for many problems of their own doing. I left a year ago and I personally hope both San Francisco and all of California suffers fiscal collapse. The state grossly mistreats it's most productive citizens, when its those very citizens that fund the greates…

Several hundred thousand state taxes in one year? That means you made at least 2.5m. What exactly are you complaining about?

>What exactly are you complaining about?

I don't have an English degree or anything, but I'm pretty sure he's complaining about the several hundred thousands in state taxes.

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Post by Panini_Jones »

carapace wrote: post #852
Panini_Jones wrote: post #801

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> SF isn't a nice town You make this assertion but back it up by remarking on things from the past. The Mission was a bloodbath for Native Americans one or two centuries ago, yes, but how does that support your initial claim that it currently isn't a nice town? Is that supporting claim really affecting the residents of the mission so greatly right now? I think San Francisco is a nice town. I hated it before the pande…

> The Mission ... currently isn't a nice town? I lived in the Mission District. I can tell you some stories. Gangsters and just crazy shit. It's still pretty wild there despite gentrification. Sunset used to have something called "Sunset District Incorporated" or something like that. Skinheads basically. Dunno how it is now. I went to high school in Hunters Point. Doublerock isn't as famous as Compton but it gets res…

I grew up in Toronto. I'm aware of the safety disparity but nevertheless I still think this is a nice place. There are also places in Toronto that I wouldn't go to. Anecdotally, I've been beaten up randomly in Toronto but not in San Francisco. Anecdotally again, I've seen people shoot up in Toronto but not in San Francisco.

> Are you trolling? Those are the nice neighborhoods!

Your assertion was that SF is not a nice place. Those neighborhoods are what SF is to many people, including myself. To me, SF is a nice place with bad parts. To you, it seems to be a bad place with nice parts.

> And BTW wtf are you doing going for walks and doing "many things" in the middle of a pandemic!? Goddamnit dude.

I don't know if anyone has told you, but we've been allowed to go on walks. Even in the current lockdown, you are permitted to walk to a park.

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Post by asdff »

jmalicki wrote: post #339
munificent wrote: post #221

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> a quiet suburb close to a lot of easily accessible nature, while still having Amazon 2-day shipping, ridesharing, Uber Eats, and luxury retail. Maybe I'm missing, but I don't see anything in that list that isn't true of almost every metro area in the US. I think people living in SF notice when new services come out that are only available there, like Uber was at first. But they don't notice when those services late…

The primary point is easy access to nature from a metro area. Other than easy access to nature, all of those points are true for major metro areas. But other than say, Salt Lake City, does any other metro area offer such close access to nature? Boston and Seattle are even much farther away...

Los Angeles has great access too. I can walk to it.

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setpatchaddress wrote: post #302
pvarangot wrote: post #97

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I think SVs appeal is that you can leave in a quiet suburb close to a lot of easily accessible nature, while still having Amazon 2-day shipping, ridesharing, Uber Eats, and luxury retail. There's not many places in the US like this. Europe has a lot but there's not much tech jobs in them. You are also close to SF if you like the madness of the city every once in a while. Other suburby places with nature easily access…

The Bay Area isn't especially nice in this regard, for one reason:it is crowded . you won't ever get a moment of peace in all of that nature unless you get lucky. For variety, I actually think the LA area as a whole is better. But it has the same problem.

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Post by jbay808 »

yanderekko wrote: post #859
borepop wrote: post #838

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>You'd be bitter too if you paid several hundred thousand in state taxes in 2019 If I ever pay several hundred thousand dollars in state tax in a single year I will be a millionaire many times over, with far more money than I will ever need, and will be grateful for my remarkably good fortune.

You’ll be simultaneously grateful and also resentful towards the squandering of resources that you could direct towards better ends.

If you want to put them towards better ends, donations are tax free.

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Post by headsupftw »

boringg wrote: post #501
tharne wrote: post #37

This is what happens when a city neglects basic quality of life issues, and allows petty crime to thrive. It happened to New York in the 1970's and took roughly three decades to recover from. Good luck, San Francisco.

Pretty sure NY had a pretty heinous violent crime streak in the 70s. If memory serves SF was pretty gritty in the 70s/80s as well. The thing with SF is that the media and a large portion of the US loves to hate it - theres a narrative that keeps getting the replay button. They always will, and it will always die just like Silicon Valley is over and the next Silicon Valley will be in (insert any city, or china). These…

Crime or not, NYC seems to be doing pretty well. Top dog in the entire country for the past decades and the foreseeable future.

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Post by alexhutcheson »

TuringNYC wrote: post #365
raunakdag wrote: post #348

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As someone who lives in the DMV (VA) - what’re the biggest factors influencing whether you can continue to live here long term?

Not being bored or underutilized at work. Excitement about career opportunities. Room to move upwards. Hard-tech job opportunities w/o having to regress to an entry-level or mid-level role. Senior level job opportunities, w/o having to join a consulting firm (i mean, if i'm potentially traveling 4/5 days, i'm not really 'living' here anymore...) I've rolled the dice on management consulting before in my life and spen…

I'm hopeful Amazon's HQ2 will make a big difference for the DMV tech scene.

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Post by alexhutcheson »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #538
gonehome wrote: post #396

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I don't know if I'd say plenty. Redfin filters: - Santa Clara - Sqft Min: 2000 - Property Type: House - Price Max: $2M Results: 9 If you set a minimum year built to 2000 (so up to 20 years old) Results: 0 You're right though that there are houses you can find in less desirable areas on the peninsula for around 2 million (and San Jose is cheaper, east bay is cheaper). Usually though there's some tradeoff (bad schools,…

Yes, I think the people on each side are using "Santa Clara" differently. As the County of Santa Clara, you can find a nice 2000 sq. ft. home for $1.2M. South San Jose, people.

Depending on where your office is, you might consider the commute from South San Jose unacceptable.

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Post by joshuamorton »

fomine3 wrote: post #812
chao- wrote: post #718

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> Is there that much of a difference between owning a car...? I'd get rid of my car too if I could afford to have Uber haul me everywhere. With reference to my sibling comment, definitively yes. I personally spent less on a handful of Lyft rides per month in Houston than I did on insurance alone when I owned a car. Never mind the cost of the vehicle itself, gas, any repairs... Even adding in the cost of my rail and b…

But SF is one of the most expensive living cost, so I suspect that spending for cars isn't much issue.

Before I sold my car, I spent more on parking (in my apartment) than I did in an average month if ride-sharing.

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Post by jariel »

nostrademons wrote: post #728
habosa wrote: post #689

In the last 10-15 years San Francisco gained a ton of residents that didn't want to be there at all. They moved there because the job opportunities in tech were too hard to turn down. I had some friends like this, they just never really liked the city. Now they're all leaving because their job is not making them stay. That's fine and I'm happy they have more choices now. But there's a flip side to that. One of my lea…

I moved out to Silicon Valley in 2009. Downturns are the best years. They flush out all the folks who are hoping to get rich fast by peddling snake oil, and leave behind the folks who are building, who are inventing, who are a little bit weird, or who just love the beautiful weather. The next tech boom starts when somebody finds a crazy invention useful; that's a lot easier when people are living ordinary lives than…

I'm sorry but I find this to be a slightly myopic narrative, and a little naive.

Con artists can have a long view of things.

And most people who move are just regular people who lost their jobs.

Frankly, I don't think there's too much space between 'get rich quick' and 'get really rich over a longer period' people.

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