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Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by boringg »

mrzimmerman wrote: post #592
boringg wrote: post #501

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Pretty sure NY had a pretty heinous violent crime streak in the 70s. If memory serves SF was pretty gritty in the 70s/80s as well. The thing with SF is that the media and a large portion of the US loves to hate it - theres a narrative that keeps getting the replay button. They always will, and it will always die just like Silicon Valley is over and the next Silicon Valley will be in (insert any city, or china). These…

I felt the same way about the source. Business Insider is pretty far from a serious news source. I know a couple of medium sized VC people who are going to start living outside of SF proper (not the Valley), but the people I know who live in the city love being in the city of San Francisco. The people who are leaving the bay area were probably always going to leave some day if they weren't happy there. And you're dea…

I agree with your agreement with me :)

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Post by mtalantikite »

rpearl wrote: post #555

Nobody really brings up that the bay area is one of few places in the US where you can live without a car. Really, even compared to other "walkable" cities beyond a select few, similarly expensive places. Nobody really brings up that the bay area has better LGBT and other minority protections than anywhere in the US, either. Every time someone mentions cheap midwest cities I have to pull up https://crossingenres.com/…

When I was younger the only other place in the country besides NYC I thought I could see myself living in was SF, for all of these same points, but especially having a walkable landscape plus access to nature. I landed in Brooklyn, but always felt affinity for SF and traveled out there a lot from about 2008 onward. I'm not sure exactly when it happened, but at one point I realized SF had turned into a place I actually wasn't excited to get to go to anymore.

If sf can transform back to a place where the people that are living there actually are in love with their city and not just there for a work I'd be very happy. It's a beautiful city.

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Post by a_t48 »

busterarm wrote: post #741
stephencanon wrote: post #699

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Only place I’ve been robbed is SF (Tenderloin, 2002). Only place I’ve had my car broken into is SFBA (Berkeley 2008, San Jose and SF in 2018).

And Chicago has nearly 6x as many violent crimes per year as Oakland or San Francisco and still edges them out on property crime.

Is that per captia?

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by 0x2d123 »

bosswipe wrote: post #822
0x2d123 wrote: post #761

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Rednecks and San Franciscans aren't protected classes of people.

Huh? I wasn't talking about legal stuff.

It matters. People won't make fun of protected classes because they might be cancelled and possibly even land in jail some day if some people get their way with our laws. Anything not against the law or against the cultural norms is free game for making fun of.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by [deleted] »

philwelch wrote: post #563
rpearl wrote: post #555

Nobody really brings up that the bay area is one of few places in the US where you can live without a car. Really, even compared to other "walkable" cities beyond a select few, similarly expensive places. Nobody really brings up that the bay area has better LGBT and other minority protections than anywhere in the US, either. Every time someone mentions cheap midwest cities I have to pull up https://crossingenres.com/…

At some point the basic maintenance of law and order (or conversely the refusal to do so) takes precedence over walkability or the local art and culture scene. As for tolerance, West Coast cities are rapidly developing a social and political milieu that is openly hostile towards the tech industry to a much greater degree than Austin or Miami (to name two examples from the article) are hostile to LGBT people.

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Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by odessacubbage »

gabereiser wrote: post #462
ericmay wrote: post #240

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Who is experiencing the decrease in wages? For many Americans the distribution of these jobs to other locations would result in an increase in wages. Not to mention, the top companies would still hire top talent in a competitive market.

Exactly. This argument that cheaper workforce is out in the sticks, waiting for “remote work” is a lie corporate America has told to keep people in the office. The truth is, no matter where you are, talent knows what talent is worth. We price accordingly and in the end the market is stable at a certain price level. We’ve been seeing this over the last decade in major US cities competing for SF-level talent. Tech is o…

my fear is that an influx of zoom professionals to places in the desirable parts of 'flyover country' will cause us to repeat the mistakes of sf and seattle in hundreds of times over across the country. most people here were still barely hanging from the recession and now the combination of rapid expansion and quickly rising prices on top of shutdowns is not giving lifeblood to the people who need it, they're being pushed out and the californians are moving in along with big box stores and sodosopa

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoUtoqeEw8U

you can excuse the resentment

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by joshfraser »

It blows my mind that SF chose to demonize its most productive citizens, both from a policy perspective (higher taxes), and a cultural perspective (the "god hates techies" messages painted on the sidewalks or the bricks thrown at Google buses). Any other city in the world would be thrilled to welcome the kind of tech talent that used to congregate in SF. And now they will.

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Post by borepop »

greensquirrel wrote: post #779
habosa wrote: post #689

In the last 10-15 years San Francisco gained a ton of residents that didn't want to be there at all. They moved there because the job opportunities in tech were too hard to turn down. I had some friends like this, they just never really liked the city. Now they're all leaving because their job is not making them stay. That's fine and I'm happy they have more choices now. But there's a flip side to that. One of my lea…

> they just never really liked the city. Pretty hard to like a city where a non-trivial portion of the residents are hating on you and blaming you and others like you for many problems of their own doing. I left a year ago and I personally hope both San Francisco and all of California suffers fiscal collapse. The state grossly mistreats it's most productive citizens, when its those very citizens that fund the greates…

>You'd be bitter too if you paid several hundred thousand in state taxes in 2019

If I ever pay several hundred thousand dollars in state tax in a single year I will be a millionaire many times over, with far more money than I will ever need, and will be grateful for my remarkably good fortune.

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Post by cmdshiftf4 »

joshfraser wrote: post #837

It blows my mind that SF chose to demonize its most productive citizens, both from a policy perspective (higher taxes), and a cultural perspective (the "god hates techies" messages painted on the sidewalks or the bricks thrown at Google buses). Any other city in the world would be thrilled to welcome the kind of tech talent that used to congregate in SF. And now they will.

There's more to life, society and culture than the mere generation of dollars for your (company's) owners and local government.

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rayiner wrote: post #695
mturmon wrote: post #644

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> California, by contrast, reacted to an identical court ruling in 2008 by banning same-sex marriage until all such laws were overturned in 2015. This is a cherry-picked example and a bad-faith argument. You're trying to portray the CA Prop 8 battle as demonstrating that CA was/is regressive. It does not show that. It's more accurate to say that there was a national debate going on at the time, and the open-ness of t…

> This is a cherry-picked example and a bad-faith argument. What’s the trend of claiming arguments are in “bad faith?” It’s like a verbal tic people have developed recently. I didn’t “cherry pick” anything. The very first step of the author’s analysis was to exclude states that had banned same-sex marriage prior to Obergefell on the theory that federal law could be changed. That exclusion carried through all the subs…

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