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Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by AnonHP » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 2:36 PM UTC

Adam, if you’re reading this, I wish you all the best and hope you do succeed in keeping with the plan. With any diet, all that matters is whether you’re able to transform it into a lifestyle change.

I know it’s not easy to do this and expose yourself on the web for others to see and read what you are and what you’re trying. But your courage and updates will hopefully inspire someone else.

Try not to get disappointed if you hit a plateau in your weight loss journey. It’s not very difficult to lose the first few (or few tens of) pounds, but later it may seem more and more of an uphill battle (depending on many factors). Just stick to the program and keep working on it.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by lmilcin » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 3:18 PM UTC

jamil7 wrote: post #108

burnthrow wrote: post #101

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Where are you getting the idea that potatoes are unhealthy?

They didn’t say potatoes are unhealthy they made the valid point that eating nothing but potatoes might be. As well as unnecessary, there’s a whole world of vegetables this guy could choose to discover and eat and still lose weight.

To expand on this, vegan diet is more demanding with regards to planning than meat-based diet as there is no single vegetable that contains nutrients that people need and even then you still need to balance your macro (ie. proportion of carbs to proteins to fats).

Meat is an easy choice as it roughly contains what you need in roughly right proportions. It is not the best solution to the problem (I don't want to say eating meat exclusively is healthy or better than vegan) but it puts you in roughly safe spot in that you can be extremely lazy with the diet.

With vegan diet you can quickly cause a lot of damage to your body if you are not paying attention to what you eat.

If you don't want to spend your days with calculators and tables the safest bet is to just vary everything -- eat a little bit of everything every day or different things every day.

One tip I would give even if you don't want to pay a lot of attention to details is to still try to manage proteins / carbohydrates / fat content of your food. Just add olive oil when you don't see enough fat in your food, etc.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by swat535 » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 4:05 PM UTC

qz2 wrote: post #29

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #16

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> do exercise Exercise does nothing in losing weight. (If you've seen the people doing physical labor for 10 hours a day, you know they're not necessarily thin.)

Exercise gives you a calorie deficit. It accelerates the loss.

Yes and then people who don't have their diet under control will eat all the calories back up (because of the bigger deficit and exhaustion) and then some. So no I would say you should get your diet under control first.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by renewiltord » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 4:29 PM UTC

qz2 wrote: post #106

renewiltord wrote: post #70

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Bariatric surgery is more effective than the pharmaceuticals for long-term weight loss AFAIK. Non-surgical intervention is slow in every form: lifestyle change, pharmaceuticals, all slow. Not going to name the drugs, sorry, but your doctor will know of them. He knows your situation better, so I'll leave it to him.

I know two people who had surgical intervention. It was a way out that they could put money into and make the problem go away. Both are fucking miserable and it ruined their lives. But no one tells those stories.

If you're in line for bariatric surgery and your doctor doesn't inform you of the risks and possible adverse outcomes then she hasn't received informed consent from you yet.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by disown » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 4:50 PM UTC

senectus1 wrote: post #43

disown wrote: post #33

> After two weeks on potatoes, you go to a plant based, vegan lifestyle until you hit your target weight Aren't potatoes "plant based, vegan"? I swear people go from one extreme terrible diet to another. Going from one terrible diet to another is only gonna cause more problems. What is so difficult about eating a balanced meal. Veggies, bread/rice/pasta, meat/fish/poulty, fruits, etc? If you are fat and want to lose…

I know a few "fat" vegans. Its not like their diet is inherently healthy...

veganism is an inherently unhealthy diet. it's why they have to take supplements.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by emerged » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 5:24 PM UTC

scaladev wrote: post #49

pizza234 wrote: post #30

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> It's always interesting to me that people can succeed on extreme diets like this rather than adjust their lifestyles to whole food home cooked healthy eating. Like almost no one can tolerate ketosis but they can do extreme diets like day+ fasting or fad diets. They don't actually succeed. They succeed for a short time, because of the motivation rush, and will post about their success; then they will lose the motiva…

As someone who lost 30 kg of excess weight and kept it off for many years, I second this comment. I have a few acquaintances ("friends" as Americans like to call them) who have gone through literally dozens of fad diets over the years, and either never lost a single pound, or gained it all back after they stopped "dieting". Not a single long term success story among them. When they ask me how I managed to keep the we…

I’ve been calorie counting for many years and work out an hour per day on average. My father insists that I’m “skinny” (not fat) because I was “born that way” and “lucky”

Many people don’t like to attribute their failure, or others success, to personal responsibility.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by emerged » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 5:37 PM UTC

nallic wrote: post #121

I - like many other - gained some weight during lockdown last winter. Now round 2 of lockdown I figured something needed to be done, So I have invested in a walkingpad (treadmill for walking speed - it folds up and tugs under the bed when I am not using it.) I have been walking for 2 hours WHILE WORKING FROM HOME now and its perfect ! - loosing around 1 kg/week while eating pretty normal (though I am trying to only h…

This sort of thing is very effective if you manage to keep the pace just right. After a certain heart rate threshold, the drain on your focus makes it very difficult to be productive.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by emerged » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 5:39 PM UTC

bArray wrote: post #67

The equation is pretty simple, you need to burn more than you consume. So decrease your input or increase your exercise - or both. There's no shortcuts. Speak to a specialist, they tend to know what they are doing. A few additional points to consider: * First weight you lose will be water (it's why most of these diet programs make big claims in just a few weeks) * As you burn fat, you'll need to drink more water and…

I’ve gone so far as to maintain a consistent weekly schedule of food and water intake and weight myself under the same conditions each day. It’s easy to become distracted by wild weight fluctuations due to water variations if you’re not conscious of how dramatic those variations are day by day.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by stevebmark » Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 7:57 PM UTC

aogaili wrote: post #56

stevebmark wrote: post #18

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Yes, it will work effectively. Thinking that entering ketosis is the only way to lose weight effectively is dogmatic (and I'm very into keto).

How else would you lose stored fat if you don't burn it?

Ask that to the guy who did the potato diet and lost 100 pounds https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/andrew-taylor-eats-noth...

Or ask fruitarians or vegans who don't exercise and are dangerously underweight.

Also, I don't know. Maybe it's because:

- The body needs fats for more than just the krebs cycle (building hormones and cell walls, namely)

- In low fat diets, the body is starved of this critical macronutrient, so it uses its own stored fat to perform critical functions

Or they're pooping it out for all I know. Chopping off a leg will help you lose weight without "burning" calories.

Either way, the hypothesis that carbohydrates raise blood glucose which raises insulin which tells your endothelial cells to pull in fat for storage and fat cells, and that ketosis puts your body in fat storage release mode, is clearly not the whole picture.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by stevebmark » Tue, Dec 01, 2020, 12:49 AM UTC

ThePhysicist wrote: post #45

The only thing that will reliably make you lose weight is putting in less energy than your body consumes. To my knowledge all the dietary fads (low-carb, high-carb, all-starch, interval fasting, ...) have failed to produce any measurable effects in scientific studies.

There are studies for all of those diets that show weight loss results.

"Putting in less energy than your body consumes" is an unhelpful thought that you should stop using. It's both too obvious and also too obtuse. It completely ignores what certain types of foods do inside / to your body. It's possible to gain weight on a caloric deficit and it's possible to lose weight on caloric excess. People who struggle to lose weight while intentionally under eating and trying to exercise more and end up failing, feel terrible about themselves because they believe this unhelpful statement you keep repeating.