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Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by burnthrow »

lmilcin wrote: post #79
Teknoman117 wrote: post #68

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My mother went fully vegan after reading Forks over Knives, and she started having to cook two meals as the other household members (I became an adult and moved out years ago) refused to eat vegan. A year later, mom is now the healthiest of us. Her blood work is perfect and she feels great. Rest of the family is in the same situation we always have been.

Probably she isn't eating just potatoes? I have nothing against vegan diet. You just need to know what you are doing and be committed to be balancing the diet yourself. Meat is an easy choice that gives everything the body needs plus some stuff that it doesn't.

Where are you getting the idea that potatoes are unhealthy?

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by coldtea »

mellosouls wrote: post #97
coldtea wrote: post #90

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> Worth remembering Penn Jillette used to be a champion for obesity and not taking responsibility for yourself It's easy to do (and probably, one good way to enjoy yourself however it is) when you're younger... After an age though, the consequences of obesity get worse than the fun of eating...

True, but he was about 50 when he was making "scientific" programmes saying being fat was down to genetics and sneering at skinny vegetarians.

Well, that's about the threshold age...

Plus, who woulnd't sneer at vegeterians, skinny or not?

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by blkknightarms »

russellbeattie wrote: post #72

You're all wrong. The correct way to diet is totally different than what you think it is. You'd have to be a complete idiot to do it one way when another way is obviously more scientific. I once dieted a third way and it was way more effective than the second way, but it wasn't as healthy. You just have to look at the facts. Anyone who isn't doing the right diet - like I've been doing for years now - just doesn't und…

Explain with details rather than "everyone else is wrong, I know it all."

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by qz2 »

renewiltord wrote: post #70
Teknoman117 wrote: post #32

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Are there actually any pharmaceuticals proven to aid weight loss? As far as I knew it was mostly all supplement bullshit to get you to waste thousands of dollars with nothing to show for it. My doctor wants me to look into bariatric surgery but the side effects of that look horrifying long term.

Bariatric surgery is more effective than the pharmaceuticals for long-term weight loss AFAIK. Non-surgical intervention is slow in every form: lifestyle change, pharmaceuticals, all slow. Not going to name the drugs, sorry, but your doctor will know of them. He knows your situation better, so I'll leave it to him.

I know two people who had surgical intervention. It was a way out that they could put money into and make the problem go away. Both are fucking miserable and it ruined their lives. But no one tells those stories.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by blkknightarms »

There are two ways of dieting I can think of readily: calorie counting and budgeting, and a modified total fast.

Calorie counting can work, but the hunger can be excruciating.

A modified fast would be water, a small amount of an oil to keep the gallbladder emptying, electrolytes, and vitamins. After 3-4 days, hunger will disappear. The issues with this method are the metabolic rate drop and muscle is reduced along with fat.

I don't see how a diet of almost pure carbs (potatoes) does anything but delay weight loss with empty calories.

Overall, the goal is to eliminate as much adipose fat as possible since this contributes to greater and greater ghrelin production.

Re: I Am Not Fat

#108

Post by jamil7 »

burnthrow wrote: post #101
lmilcin wrote: post #79

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Probably she isn't eating just potatoes? I have nothing against vegan diet. You just need to know what you are doing and be committed to be balancing the diet yourself. Meat is an easy choice that gives everything the body needs plus some stuff that it doesn't.

Where are you getting the idea that potatoes are unhealthy?

They didn’t say potatoes are unhealthy they made the valid point that eating nothing but potatoes might be. As well as unnecessary, there’s a whole world of vegetables this guy could choose to discover and eat and still lose weight.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #52
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #16

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> do exercise Exercise does nothing in losing weight. (If you've seen the people doing physical labor for 10 hours a day, you know they're not necessarily thin.)

Of course it does. Or I should say it can. It's burning calories. If calories in are less than calories used, you lose weight. What is true is that it's very easy to eat more calories than you can practically hope to burn off by exercise. The people doing physical labor for 10 hours a day who are still fat are probably eating Big Macs, Fries, and 48oz cokes for lunch and having 3-6 beers after work.

> It's burning calories.

Not really. The human body doesn't have a power saving mode like computers do. The vast majority of burned calories are burned simply by the body existing and keeping its metabolism running.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by qz2 »

scaladev wrote: post #49
pizza234 wrote: post #30

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> It's always interesting to me that people can succeed on extreme diets like this rather than adjust their lifestyles to whole food home cooked healthy eating. Like almost no one can tolerate ketosis but they can do extreme diets like day+ fasting or fad diets. They don't actually succeed. They succeed for a short time, because of the motivation rush, and will post about their success; then they will lose the motiva…

As someone who lost 30 kg of excess weight and kept it off for many years, I second this comment. I have a few acquaintances ("friends" as Americans like to call them) who have gone through literally dozens of fad diets over the years, and either never lost a single pound, or gained it all back after they stopped "dieting". Not a single long term success story among them. When they ask me how I managed to keep the we…

> When they ask me how I managed to keep the weight off for such a long time, I simply answer "eating what I always have, and calorie counting". Nobody likes to hear that for some reason.

That'll be because of the human condition of cheating which is roughly a combination of "I'll do it next week" and "It wont hurt me if I do this a couple of times (a week)" and the worst of all "I don't have to count this if I apply some magical condition to it".

It only doesn't work if you don't do it which all of the above are. And people don't want to hear that because they don't like hearing that they're failing, especially when they are.

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