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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by pnw_hazor »

bigphishy wrote: post #331
pnw_hazor wrote: post #176

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Also, nonsensical restrictions mixed in with reasonable restrictions in a seemingly ad hoc way have eroded trust in local leadership. Around here, government construction projects were allowed to continue while private ones were halted. Outdoor walks encouraged, but fishing disallowed. And plenty more. Now, indoor dining and gyms are closed again even though they are not contributing to the recent spike. Also, don't…

Fishing was not allowed? Ok now I am curious, what area are you talking about?

Recreational fishing was closed state-wide in Washington State for about a month as part of the initial lock-down. Granted it wasn't closed that long but the damage to 'follow the science' credibility was done. There were protests and public ridicule which probably led to the quick turn-around.

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Post by dennisgorelik »

SnowProblem wrote: post #265

Can someone help me understand something? Back in March, we had ~40k new cases per day, and were seeing ~3k deaths per day. Today, we have ~140k new cases per day, but our deaths seem to be ~1k per day, and haven't risen much with rise in cases since September. What explains this? Were we not testing as much in March, and really our cases were ~200k per day? Or were the populations that got sick in March somehow diff…

> but our deaths seem to be ~1k per day

1) Most mild and asympthomatic Covid-19 cases were mostly ignored back in March 2020.

Now more Covid cases are, actually, tested.

That is why "new cases" are significantly higher.

2) Big share of the population already has immunity against Covid-19 (because they were exposed to Covid earlier this year).

That is why deaths from Covid are much lower.

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Post by vinni2 »

jsilence wrote: post #418
vinni2 wrote: post #401

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> not trying to match to people in a database Are you sure it’s not building one?

What is it going to record? "Dude with a mask" ?

Facial recognition with masks is already working [1]. So storing facial images of all customers entering store with or without mask is essentially the same.

[1] https://apex.aero/articles/facial-recognition-tech-works-mas...

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Post by Diederich »

_-david-_ wrote: post #384
munificent wrote: post #141

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According to the South Dakota Department of Health site, they 36.2% of the ICU beds are currently available [1]. According to this article [2], that count includes NICU (infant) beds, which will not be very helpful for COVID-19, which mostly seriously infects adults. [1]: https://doh.sd.gov/news/Coronavirus.aspx [2]: https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-sioux-falls-voting...

How many beds are usually available? If there is, for example, only typically 40% of ICU beds available then being at 36% isn't that bad.

I have wondered that myself, and it's a valid consideration.

Anecdotally, I've seen quite a few people who work in and around ERs and ICUs reporting a sharp increase in 'business', which follows (but trails) Covid19 positive test data.

We obviously don't know with any degree of precision how bad things are at the macro scale, but I think it's undeniable that the current trajectory is pretty scary.

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Post by pnw_hazor »

Anthony-G wrote: post #427
bigphishy wrote: post #331

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Fishing was not allowed? Ok now I am curious, what area are you talking about?

I don’t know which country is being talked about here but if I had to guess why fishing is proscribed, I’d hyphothesize that fishing had alwasy been classified by the state as being a “sport” (allowing fishing bodies to apply for grants, licences, etc.). Then, when Covid-19 mitigation measures were being drafted, all sporting activities were proscribed (possibly because many sports involve risk of transmission betwee…

It was in Washington State in the US. The shutdown order came from the Governor and was enforced by the state department of fishing and wildlife.

Now, guided fishing and fishing tours still have some reasonable restrictions but non-guided fishing and non-guided hunting are pretty much back to normal.

Strict lockdown rules were announced this past Sunday, I am not sure if they impact fishing or hunting -- it doesn't sound like it.

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Post by 01100011 »

remote_phone wrote: post #124
01100011 wrote: post #81

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> 50% of the population has IQ below 100 Lots of people have IQs of 100. If you have a moment, I'd like to understand why you think half of the population has an IQ below 100, and why that might be significant. Does an IQ of 98 or 99 deem a person a moron? I agree that the US has an issue with how education is viewed in the popular culture. I would bet, without any acutal supporting data, that compliance with mask or…

By definition, the median IQ is 100.

Isn't the mode 100 as well?

IQ is generally reported as an integer, no?

So a significant number of people have IQs of exactly 100.

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Post by chaostheory »

xlm1717 wrote: post #406
chaostheory wrote: post #205

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While the SF Bay Area is much better than most of the country, it's still annoying seeing people here not use masks outside of their homes, or wear them improperly. With masks we can get back to normal relatively quickly, but people just need to wear them

Interesting to see you say the SF Bay Area is much better than most of the country, while this article says the Bay Area is experiencing significant population decline: https://www.publiccommentsf.com/post/u-s-postal-service-data...

I was talking specifically about its execution of COVID-19 mitigation. Taxes, and other issues are a completely different subject.

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Post by cltby »

munificent wrote: post #370
cltby wrote: post #292

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I'm in Seattle too. The local health guidelines suggest that it's safe to: 1. Put on a mask before going outside 2. Stroll to your local favorite restaurant 3. Get a table indoors 4. Remove the mask 5. Socialize Some rural citizens are skipping steps 1 and 4, but Science only confers protection from covid when all the steps are followed. This sort of pandemic theater is why cases are at an all-time high here. The 90%…

> 3. Get a table indoors Keep in mind that restaurants are at significantly reduced capacity and those tables are now more widely spread apart. These guidelines mean you are much less likely to share airspace with strangers. Yes, it's not as safe as not going to a restaurant at all, but they are trying to balance mitigating risk while allowing some economic activity. It's a hard problem. The last time I drove through…

> if you aren't being 100% safe you're just doing pandemic theater

Pandemic theater is a preference for the symbolic over the substantive. It's giving yourself a pass for risky behavior (bars, indoor dining) while sneering at others for actions that are far less impactful ("haha, dumb hicks don't wear masks at the gas station!").

The hicks aren't sick because they won't wear their masks. They are sick because they're doing the same exact thing as you, just more of it. It hardly matters that your tables are spread out, or that you wore your mask while waiting for your reservation. You don't want to sacrifice hanging out with your friends, fine. But it's offensive to use "Science" to justify such a transparently frivolous choice. And I don't see why you should attack people for not wanting to make sacrifices that you yourself refused to.

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Post by alasdair_ »

anonfornoreason wrote: post #166
anoonmoose wrote: post #110

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The basis most people provide is either an inaccurate or incomplete understanding of the rights given to US citizens by the Constitution of the United States, unfortunately.

And your statement shows you do not understand the constitution, or more specifically the bill of rights. You are not given them, they are recognized as natural rights not government granted rights, and the bill of rights merely recognizes them. If someone doesn’t want to wear a mask that is their choice. Your choice is to avoid situations where you might be in contact with people who don’t wear masks. It’s not to fo…

> If someone doesn’t want to wear a mask that is their choice. Your choice is to avoid situations where you might be in contact with people who don’t wear masks. It’s not to force everyone into your beliefs.

Would the same principal apply if the other person had ebola?

What about someone like Typhoid Mary - should her right to do what she wanted be placed higher than the rights of others not to be infected?

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Post by chaostheory »

mattr47 wrote: post #373
chaostheory wrote: post #205

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While the SF Bay Area is much better than most of the country, it's still annoying seeing people here not use masks outside of their homes, or wear them improperly. With masks we can get back to normal relatively quickly, but people just need to wear them

Masks will not allow us to get back to normal more quickly. The only thing that will allow that is immunity through vaccinations. Countries other than the US have implemented strict mask & border controls still do not have a handle on the virus.

Studies and data tell us otherwise.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-face-mask-protection-vacc...

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronav...

People in Asia, from both what I've seen and what my relatives keep telling me, no longer quarantine or social distance. Case in point: Singapore. They have a larger population than New Zealand yet live on an island that's smaller than NYC. They have virtually no local cases. They all wear masks.

btw which country were you referring to that had both mask mandates and strict border controls, and simultaneous are unable to contain it? Doesn't New Zealand has both? They seem to be managing it just fine.

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