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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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> In the more advanced countries, such as Thailand, this is automated. Having facial recognition everywhere isn't necessarily considered "advanced" in all circles. Technically, perhaps. Ethically? Not so much. Facial recognition could be put everywhere in the US. Its primarily the political, legal, and social culture that prevents it, not the access to sufficient technology.

calling this facial recognition is a bit of stretch when its more akin to "is a mask present?", not trying to match to people in a database. No different then self driving cars detecting a pedestrian. very far from unethical (although i would hope they would make an effort to accommodate all skin colors to not unintentionally discriminate against anyone.)

> not trying to match to people in a database

Are you sure it’s not building one?

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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At this point my sentiments can be summed up thusly[0][1]. Although I'm the fortunate few who could work remotely -- and I've been doing so since the beginning of the year -- my job[2] still bounds me to CONUS. I'm beginning to entertain the thought of quitting so I could move to one of the few Asian countries that takes COVID-19 seriously.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXK03FHVsHk&t=26

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW9WGibEF04&t=266

[2] My company's COVID-19 response so far is excellent, but it doesn't help when (seemly) no one else gives a crap.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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I’d call it a disease of experience, first and foremost. The US missed the worst of SARS-Cov1 and MERS, which were catastrophic in some parts of the world. East-Asian Democratic countries had public debates about what are and are not reasonable public health measures. They passed enabling laws, built public health infrastructure, and established cutting edge novel virus surveillance programs. The US did not. We were…

Do you see anything happening in the US public sphere to make you particularly hopeful about how we’ll handle the next one? These people are literally dying on the hill of “covid is a hoax”. Half of the country claims they won’t take a vaccine, and the leadership of half of the country has learned they can gain power by downplaying covid.

I expect this will go like Watergate—-it’ll be unclear and confusing for the people who lived through it, but clearer to subsequent generations with the aid of historical perspective.

I’m not hopeful at all about the US (RE: SARS-Cov2 or otherwise). I think we should have pulled the plug on this version of the Republic when we gave up on reconstruction after Civil War I.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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rather than moralizing angrily ('fucks'), why not try to hone in on what you're worried about exactly? were you really in danger? if you'd have focused more on the lack of distancing indoors, that might have been a legitimate concern. but masks are for show in most places, at most times, and your focus on them indicates a retreat to symbolism rather than effect. the primary appeal of masks is for quelling fear and an…

Studies so far seem to disagree with you that going to a restaurant 'isn't a significant risk'. “...restaurants were by far the riskiest places” for new infections, “about four times riskier than gyms and coffee shops, followed by hotels,” https://sf.eater.com/21561143/covid-19-restaurants-indoor-di... "...case-patients were more likely to have reported dining at a restaurant (aOR = 2.4, 95% CI = 1.5–3.8) in the 2 we…

that’s (loosely) inferred correlation. we can’t draw conclusions from those studies alone (and the reporting biases of those sources need to be considered too). what a study like that provides is leads for follow-on studies, ones that may get us more definitive results. it’s entirely possible that restaurant goers are correlated with higher-risk populations, like essential workers, who contract the virus from other places.

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> Much of it is due to private gatherings without masks, gyms, and maybe bars and restaurants. Prove it. When cases go down, it’s because of masks. When they go up in the same place, it’s because people suddenly stopped wearing them , but no proof is provided for either assertion.

I think we can all agree (and I don't have to prove) that if nobody would ever meet anyone outside their home there would be 0 infections. So that would be the ideal. We could have states just mandate very strict shelter in place. Would you like that? Probably not, in which case we have to allow people to get outside their homes. When we do that we come up with rules to try to minimize infection rates, distance and m…

It is a lot more comfortable to not be wearing any mask, that's why health experts like Dr. Fauci wear them only in front of the cameras but take them off when they think the cameras are off.

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My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

While the SF Bay Area is much better than most of the country, it's still annoying seeing people here not use masks outside of their homes, or wear them improperly. With masks we can get back to normal relatively quickly, but people just need to wear them

Interesting to see you say the SF Bay Area is much better than most of the country, while this article says the Bay Area is experiencing significant population decline:

https://www.publiccommentsf.com/post/u-s-postal-service-data...

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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rather than moralizing angrily ('fucks'), why not try to hone in on what you're worried about exactly? were you really in danger? if you'd have focused more on the lack of distancing indoors, that might have been a legitimate concern. but masks are for show in most places, at most times, and your focus on them indicates a retreat to symbolism rather than effect. the primary appeal of masks is for quelling fear and an…

The whole “just be 6 feet away and it can’t get to you” is not reality, despite what the CDC or WHO says. Sure, keeping 6 feet apart helps reduce exposure compared to being 2 feet apart, but droplets containing the virus don’t all just magically hit the ground within that radius. Ventilation of fresh air is critical because of the buildup of aerosols that occurs indoors: https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/…

note that care workers interact intimately closely with others, and are a good example of the marginal case where masks are a primarily effective mitigation. most common interactions don’t fit this profile.

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I worked with a guy named Danny many years ago. He was one of the smartest programmers I'd ever met. Not only did he write great code, but he also always maintained an excellent connection to the his customers who would use the programs he wrote. This was in a hospital. Personally, he was kind, generous, excellent family man. He never really talked too much about politics, didn't care too much for it. He also helped…

I guess Snow Crash is out in the wild. Did he seem "normal" outside the covid stuff>

> I guess Snow Crash is out in the wild.

I had to look this up, I presume this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

If you have a minute, can you please expand on your statement? It seems very interesting!

> Did he seem "normal" outside the covid stuff

We have yet to correspond extensively, but so far it's been pretty typical catching up after 25 years stuff, except as noted.

I'm going to try to very carefully get some information about how he arrived at the conspiracy opinion.

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Why do you think they're good and smart, why do they think Covid19 is a hoax? Surely a good person would try to do the safe thing even if they had doubts.

Not the original poster, but I would imagine it echos what I have seen (and believe myself) in that it’s not a hoax as is normally defined, but a mass hysteria fueled by a media that needs clicks to survive. The risks are real for certain demographics, we need to take precautions to help vulnerable people, etc. however the unintended consequences of drastic policies are economic hardship, creating a new generation of…

Fine, we believe that you believe it's not a hoax.

But calling it a manufactured mass hysteria/delusion is just as absurd and conspiratorial. Was AIDS a manufactured mass hysteria in the '80s? People are rightly concerned about COVID because it is relatively new, we don't have super great ways to treat it yet, and in addition to being deadly, there is good evidence of lasting health impact to people who survive it. It doesn't sound like you're denying the disease, but you are downplaying it.

The public health guidance isn't just about protecting a handful of "elderly, unhealthy, immunocompromised people." People in all age groups, with and without pre-existing co-morbidities are getting the disease and dying of it--albeit in smaller numbers. And if not, they're spreading it to people who are dying of it. Even if we just for simplicity's sake, pretend that only the "elderly, unhealthy, immunocompromised people" are literally the only people who are at risk from it: you still need to have everyone observe the same precautions, or you risk infecting the at-risk group.

If this were like seatbelt wearing, I'd be totally on your side. If someone chooses to put their own life at risk, fine, it’s their life and their body. But it's not like that with a highly contagious disease. People's personal choices are having a direct effect on other people's health. Your right to do something personally risky should end when it puts others at risk. There's a reason we don't let people fire guns around randomly as long as they don't happen to hit others.

The economic hardships are temporary. You can't bring people back from the dead and you can't (as far as we know now) reverse the long-term damage done to survivors.

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Are there still people who believe it is just "a few eccentrics"? As someone who has a lot of them in my direct family, extended family, and even Facebook friends, my perception is that partisanship has reached a point where there is literal mass delusion out there far left and far right. And in the case of covid19, it feels like at least 10% don't fully believe in it (the level of doubt varying by individual and sit…

>there is literal mass delusion out there far left and far right. What delusion is the "far left" believing in, in your opinion?

A super important component is that with these extremists, I can tell them exactly what I think and believe, and they will contradict me to my face and say no, that is not true, you believe x y z. And the criteria for the claim is simply that I'm not in wholehearted agreement with them. The degree doesn't matter, the ideology demands absolutely submission.

It is a mass delusion to say a substantial portion of the population is unable to self report their own beliefs - to say that your group knows better what millions of outsiders to the group think

I think the attacks on an honest intellectual interested in the truth not the answer an ideology demands, specifically the attempt to cancel Steven Pinker is an ideal example of this

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