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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by thsowers »

analyte123 wrote: post #96

Obviously, it isn't right to be rude to nurses but it probably also isn't right to sneer at people on their deathbed who don't want to accept that they're dying or really understand why, and blame them for their disease even though we have no idea how they got it. I think some people dying in hospitals from COVID have a right to be mad at the medical system. Did these patients get any of the 5+ antiviral or immunomod…

> but wow do we sure know that they're dumb hicks who deserve to die

I didn't see that sentiment expressed in the article, or by the majority of comments here.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by Diederich »

jeffbee wrote: post #82
Diederich wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I remember correctly, deaths today are linked with the hospitalizations 12 days prior. From what I've seen, South Dakota is nearly out of ICU beds, as are many other states. These Covid19 death rates are going to get really, really bad this time around.

Definitely. The die, as they say, is already cast. Remember, too, that the trailing 7-day average of an exponential process is incredibly misleading. If it's 15 deaths per day by that measure, that means it's really 50 today and 100+ soon.

Yeah, that graph added 7-day averaging because the reporting numbers bounce around on weekend boundaries, which was leading to a lot of confusion.

Whether there's 1-day or n-day averaging, exponential growth is the scary beast.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by blix »

skyzyx wrote: post #26

Yes, the pandemic fatigue is real. Yes, it would be wonderful to hang out with my friends in person, or to drive 100 miles crossing the border to go visit my children. But the reason this is lasting so long, and things are shutting back down is because people are ignoring the truth. You can talk about the economy all day long, but the fact of the matter is that if we all would’ve taken this seriously and shut everyth…

> But the reason this is lasting so long...

Masks and social distancing and banning birthday parties are not about speeding up or ending the pandemic but slowing it down (to minimize deaths) until a vaccine is ready. This is what 'flattening the curve' is all about.

It's also weird to see Canada among your success stories. Their 'worst of it' is right now.

We're fighting with misinformation alright.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by jdhn »

Diederich wrote: post #72
jeffbee wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To set the perspective for those not familiar, the population of the state is close to 900k, roughly the same as the city of San Francisco. The normal pace of all-cause deaths is about 24 per day, so with COVID-19 killing off 15 people per day it is probably the leading cause of death in that state today.

If I remember correctly, deaths today are linked with the hospitalizations 12 days prior. From what I've seen, South Dakota is nearly out of ICU beds, as are many other states. These Covid19 death rates are going to get really, really bad this time around.

>From what I've seen, South Dakota is nearly out of ICU beds

Do you have a source for this?

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by matz1 »

whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

>Heading through Vegas, Utah

>When I say no fucks were given - I mean that pretty much no one around me cared about wearing a mask, social distancing, etc

Good to hear, plan to visit these places soon. The risk is worth it.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by randycupertino »

padseeker wrote: post #79
whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

I live in Chicago, and masks are the norm everywhere. Definitely indoors, and to a lesser degree outdoors. We rented a house in Wisconsin for a weekend in the fall, and culturally there was a big difference. Went to pick up a pizza and the outdoor patio was packed, drinking beer and watching college football. There were some people wearing masks, but it was not the norm. We were definitely in the minority.

I have family in rural Wisconsin and she wanted to buy masks and couldn't even find anywhere local to buy some. I ended up buying her a bunch in California and shipping them to her.

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Post by coding123 »

whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

It's actually the state governments that's at fault here. Not the specifically the people. Let me tell you I was in back-country Oregon recently, some of the MOST republican places within Oregon, not going to name drop the county. Anyway, the Oregon state government is very much democratic (cause you know Portland). But because of that, even the republican counties are under a mask order. And the extremely red counties, people are actually wearing masks all over the place. Grocery stores even are employing someone to just stand there and either hand a cheapy surg. mask or tell them to put one on.

So what I'm saying is that regardless of what people WANT to do, the state has the power and push to get people to do it. And this is why we need Biden in office yesterday.

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Post by Mindless2112 »

sam0x17 wrote: post #47
silverpepsi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there still people who believe it is just "a few eccentrics"? As someone who has a lot of them in my direct family, extended family, and even Facebook friends, my perception is that partisanship has reached a point where there is literal mass delusion out there far left and far right. And in the case of covid19, it feels like at least 10% don't fully believe in it (the level of doubt varying by individual and sit…

There is no "mass-delusion" on the far left. We are literally at a point where the current daily cases mean that a month from now we will be having around 3-4k deaths per day based on how many people are already infected NOW. That's a 9/11 terrorist attack per day in deaths. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is delusional.

The delusion of the left is that central planning and control will prevent the spread of the virus. That's not exactly wrong -- it just has to be the level of government control that China has. A lot of Americans, myself included, won't tolerate that. (And for the record, I wear a mask.)

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Post by anoonmoose »

seankimdesign wrote: post #63
Claudus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

Here's a quote from Robert Redfield, the director of CDC. > We are not defenseless against COVID-19. Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus -- particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities. I trust his expertise and judgment. What's the b…

The basis most people provide is either an inaccurate or incomplete understanding of the rights given to US citizens by the Constitution of the United States, unfortunately.
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