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China attacks fishing boats in conquest of South China Sea

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Re: China attacks fishing boats in conquest of South China Sea

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Post by platinumrad »

hvdfhbj wrote: post #18
jruthers wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good analysis. Realistically, no entity, government or otherwise is taking any concrete steps to say no to China in the south China Sea. Doing "drive bys" is hardly actual action, like say dismantling a Chinese base made in international waters. THAT would be concrete action, and I bet they would get all upset but ultimately do nothing (unless it's too Australia, in which case they'll find some other product to ban).…

One very simple action that we should be doing is changing the name of the "South China Sea" to something else.

Who is "we" here?

Re: China attacks fishing boats in conquest of South China Sea

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Post by yorwba »

tim333 wrote: post #27
platinumrad wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sad that yellow peril alarmism with no basis in reality is what counts as "good analysis" when the orange website talks about China.

What's unrealistic about the above? Seems pretty accurate to me.

What about all the comments pointing out that other countries are taking concrete steps and treating Chinese fishing vessels in the same way? The whole premise of the "analysis" is mistaken.

Re: China attacks fishing boats in conquest of South China Sea

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Post by xster »

nradov wrote: post #4

It turns out that many of China's territorial claims in the South China Sea are simply the result of errors in translations and cartography. They have no legitimate basis in law or history. http://cimsec.org/chinas-claim-spratly-islands-just-mistake/...

I think this is the guy that's saying China doesn't exist and the concept of China as a country with a territory is a European invention brought to China.

https://twitter.com/bill_hayton

I don't think there's anything he writes that can be taken seriously.

Re: China attacks fishing boats in conquest of South China Sea

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Post by platinumrad »

xster wrote: post #33
nradov wrote: post #4

It turns out that many of China's territorial claims in the South China Sea are simply the result of errors in translations and cartography. They have no legitimate basis in law or history. http://cimsec.org/chinas-claim-spratly-islands-just-mistake/...

I think this is the guy that's saying China doesn't exist and the concept of China as a country with a territory is a European invention brought to China. https://twitter.com/bill_hayton I don't think there's anything he writes that can be taken seriously.

It's actually difficult to overstate how incredibly stupid he is: https://twitter.com/bill_hayton/status/1327650278036959234

Re: China attacks fishing boats in conquest of South China Sea

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Post by hvdfhbj »

zksjejwbs wrote: post #22
hvdfhbj wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better point would be that the current CCP regime in Beijing has no legitimate claim to be any kind of government with any legal claim over any territory whatsoever. An unelected government is not a government, it's just a group of thugs who happen to have control over a capital city. If China has any sort of legitimate government at all it's the one in Taiwan which was at least elected by somebody . But really, ma…

Your knowledge of history is so little that for you Washington is the guy who prints green notes. Jokes aside if the legitimate government are only the elected one lets wipe 2/3 of the world's government lol. Taiwan is a dispute territory because the kuomintang after they lost the civil war in China they moved to Taiwan and claimed the territory. Taiwan was not even a democracy after that but rather a military dictat…

There's only a few dozen remaining completely unelected "governments" in the world, and yes, we should definitely get rid of all of them.

Certainly Taiwan never had a legitimate government either until recently but now they do, demonstrating that it can be done. I hope that the CCP can peacefully give up power too, but we should not take any military options off the table.

Re: China attacks fishing boats in conquest of South China Sea

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Post by hvdfhbj »

platinumrad wrote: post #31
hvdfhbj wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One very simple action that we should be doing is changing the name of the "South China Sea" to something else.

Who is "we" here?

The rest of the world... but since "South China Sea" is an English name I think a consensus among the English-speaking countries would suffice.

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Post by ainiriand »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #25
ainiriand wrote: post #13

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There are many examples of different countries shooting Chinese fishing boats. This is just the first example but you can find many more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3lkM4t8AaA

They fired a series of warning shots. Had the put a dent in that hull, there would have been an immense amount of outrage from China.

Look at this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00rMVee0R4c

And there are examples from other countries too.

Re: China attacks fishing boats in conquest of South China Sea

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Post by redis_mlc »

platinumrad wrote: post #23
bArray wrote: post #3

The reason they continue to do this is because they know without doubt other Countries will not treat their fishing vessels in the same way. There is zero consequences for their actions and they have zero reason to change their policy. You might say "the consequence is that they look bad", but they don't, at least not to the people they care about - mainlanders. They own and/or control the news media in mainland Chin…

You're delusional if you think that western media, which is presumably what you're referring to when you say "external "free" media" (your scare quotes, not mine), holds back when it comes to negative coverage of China. In reality, editorial standards go out the window when it comes to China and other adversary states like Russia and North Korea. How many times has Kim Jong-un supposedly died just this year? When was…

What you wrote is simply nonsense.

You can watch any of the Youtube NTD/Epoch media channels to see what's really going on in China. The CCP makes the WW2 Axis countries look like choir boys.

Regarding Xinjiang, by moving people around like a shell game, their reproductive cycle can be disrupted. If you do that for 2 generations, you achieve ethnic cleansing without shooting anybody in the head.

The involuntary organ harvesting stories are much worse in reality. It appears retired CCP members are using organs like new batteries to last to 150 years old.

How would you like to make a donation for a double-lung transplant? Didn't think so.

Re: China attacks fishing boats in conquest of South China Sea

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Post by [deleted] »

hvdfhbj wrote: post #15
zaptrem wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like you have no “legitimate” “claim” to your smartphone, hand it over. Conquest isn’t the only way countries gain territory by a long shot, and whataboutism can’t justify what China’s doing today either.

A better point would be that the current CCP regime in Beijing has no legitimate claim to be any kind of government with any legal claim over any territory whatsoever. An unelected government is not a government, it's just a group of thugs who happen to have control over a capital city. If China has any sort of legitimate government at all it's the one in Taiwan which was at least elected by somebody . But really, ma…

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Re: China attacks fishing boats in conquest of South China Sea

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roenxi wrote: post #28

We don't really know what the slow-rolling effects of shutting down a double-digit percentage of the world's economy is. War is a distinct possibility; we know from WWI that everything seems fine until everyone mobilises all at once. I hope the LA times are taking their responsibilities seriously and not reporting things in an incendiary way. I'd rather see an unfair peace in Asia than a big war in my lifetime. The U…

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