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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by Shorel »

jedberg wrote: post #190
plorkyeran wrote: post #129

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All of them? I use the function keys regularly and it's much harder to hit the correct one without looking at the keyboard with the touch bar.

What do you use function keys for? I was thinking about this, and I don't think I've used a function key in years.

That's a good question. I can imagine some people never using them because of their particular workflow and software of choice.

In my particular case, I use them all the time. Edit some SQL, press F9. Select some files, press F5. And so on.

I can't work without the function keys.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by novok »

foldr wrote: post #634
beaner wrote: post #612

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Do they overperform for laptop use cases or for iPad use cases?

Video encoding is one example of a laptop use case where the iPad Pro has very competitive performance. Gaming is another.

Video encoding is usually special dedicated hardware, so it's more measuring the hardware encoder than the general speed of the device. Go head to head with AV1 encoding for example and you'll see it matches it's general benchmark.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by novok »

tiffanyh wrote: post #445

I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

You get 100 more nits of brightness, active cooling (= more performance), better speakers & more battery with the 13" pro.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by throwaway314156 »

reader_mode wrote: post #667
tiffanyh wrote: post #445

I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Better screen, better thermals (this is really important, hopefully they do it right), larger battery (almost 15%). At 1500$ for 16GB version 13" Pro seems like a really good value deal for on the go workstation - if M1 benchmarks come out decent.

They should have had better thermals in the previous 13" Pro, but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlOPPuNv4Ec&t=3m56s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlOPPuNv4Ec&t=5m30s

That's just a headscratcher.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

addandsubtract wrote: post #641
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #624

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> Which other key do you miss now that Esc is back? I really need a Forward-Delete key - pressing Cmd+Backspace just doesn't work for me.

Fn+Backspace would work for you, though :P

It is Cmd+Backspace for me because I remapped my MacBook's keyboard so it matches my ThinkPad's[1] - I really don't want to have to play Twister with my fingers.

[1] Yes, I've remapped/swapped the Ctrl+Fn keys on my ThinkPad too.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by wetpaws »

shakow wrote: post #489
justin66 wrote: post #457

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Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

It is definitely an adequate base spec. What would the random MacBook user fill 16GB of RAM with?

Definitely not the random user, but the moment you start running docker containers, you are screwed.

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Post by CydeWeys »

rbanffy wrote: post #554
CydeWeys wrote: post #529

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The median Macbook user is not a developer. A web browser and videocalling are the only two from that list you'd expect the median user to be doing with a Macbook.

Also Office. Lots of open Word documents. My "typical Mac user" in this case, is my wife. Her 8GB MBP is holding up very well.

It's a good question -- do most people still use desktop office suites these days? I don't know the answer. I use the Google Docs suite for both work and for personal stuff, and I personally haven't seen the need to pay for Office in awhile.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by lostgame »

ajharrison wrote: post #631
justin66 wrote: post #457

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Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

Seriously though what’s the connection between it being 2020 and there being more default RAM? Are you suggesting that in the year 2030 we should expect 100gb of RAM? The goal shouldn’t be to increase ageing technology but to replace it with something better.

If you do anything like virtualization 8GB of RAM is absolutely paltry, borderline unusable - due to the need, e.g. to allocate a specific amount of RAM to a running VM.

To be honest, I find even 16GB to be limiting. The lack of offering of a 32GB configuration killed the immediate sale for me, absolutely no exaggeration.

Because you can't upgrade it post-market, I'd consider these to be some of the least future-proofed releases from Apple in a while.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by jefftk »

crazygringo wrote: post #87
regulation_d wrote: post #46

Did I miss something, or are they, once again, not upgrading the camera? The low light performance of the current version is real bad. Since we're all using these cameras way more, I really thought there would a hardware bump. You can only squeeze so much detail out of an under-exposed, noisy image with software.

I'm curious, are higher-quality cameras even available that fit into the thin lid? (At a reasonable price?) I was always under the impression that the built-in camera is so much worse than your phone's front-facing camera simply because the phone is thick and has room, while the MacBook lid is much thinner.

Instead of having a camera as thin as the lid, they could have the camera stick out a little bit and fit into a recess on the other side of the clamshell when closed.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by fomine3 »

AnonHP wrote: post #140

Apple mentioned in the event that these Macs will have hardware verified secure boot. Since I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, can someone explain (or even try to guess) what this would/could mean for running Linux on these? I use Macs way beyond Apple’s support timeframe with OS X/macOS, and Linux is the one that runs on some of the older Macs and provides adequate security and security related software update…

It seems that Mac has now iPhone-based boot system.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOSBeta/comments/jn7wbf/heres_the...

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