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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by ajharrison »

justin66 wrote: post #457
tiffanyh wrote: post #445

I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

Seriously though what’s the connection between it being 2020 and there being more default RAM? Are you suggesting that in the year 2030 we should expect 100gb of RAM?

The goal shouldn’t be to increase ageing technology but to replace it with something better.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by Asmod4n »

my123 wrote: post #599
grishka wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, a locked bootloader with someone else's public key as the only one trusted? Can you even call that a computer?

The bootloader is not locked, why continuing to claim that over and over when Apple talked about it at WWDC?

Craig Federighi Said himself that they don’t boot other operating systems. Could you link the talk where they said it can run binaries not signed by Apple? The only thing I could find is where they still allow you to boot older versions which they don’t let you download anymore. To keep the actual mac experience.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by ajharrison »

ajharrison wrote: post #623
justin66 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

More ram is patch for components that aren’t hyper-optimized to work together. The whole point of what apple is doing with their own silicon is to create that optimization, thus reducing the need for excessive ram. It’s worked for them for iPad and iPhone. Samsung et all would boast more ram but oddly enough iPhones were and remain faster

Not sure the downvoting ...

Even with 16, 32gb of ram, Android phones still don’t have buttery smooth 60 FPS while iOS has never been smoother

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by foldr »

beaner wrote: post #612
nojito wrote: post #606

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>8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020. Why wouldn't it be? The iPad Pros max out at 6gb and yet they overperform the vast majority of laptops out there.

Do they overperform for laptop use cases or for iPad use cases?

Video encoding is one example of a laptop use case where the iPad Pro has very competitive performance. Gaming is another.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by cactus2093 »

mFixman wrote: post #345
callamdelaney wrote: post #150

I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

You are missing out if you don't have 4 USB-C ports in both sides of your laptop. You can charge your laptop and connect a display with a single cable and without caring about putting the computer in the right direction.

Looks like the just announced 13" MBP only has 2 usb-c/thunderbolt ports and they're both on the same side.

Never occurred to me they would go backwards on this, I bet this is one of those overlooked details that will get a lot of notice once people actually start receiving these new laptops.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by foldr »

domano wrote: post #579
rbanffy wrote: post #554

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Also Office. Lots of open Word documents. My "typical Mac user" in this case, is my wife. Her 8GB MBP is holding up very well.

Does macOS handle memory in a way where it just lets RAM fill up to some point before actively doing something about it? Because on my 16gig Macbook 8 gigs are gone just with browsing & spotify.

They're not really "gone", they've just been put to use because there's no point in leaving RAM empty. You can do much more than run a browser and Spotify with 8GB of RAM.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by WoahNoun »

crazygringo wrote: post #538
afandian wrote: post #424

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That's a kind-of-backwards argument though isn't it? The lid needs to be thick enough to contain the necessary components, not the other way round.

Obviously Apple sees thinness as a major feature. The reality is, for most people 720p is more than enough, since most videoconferencing is at a heavily compressed 480p anyways, and it's not like most people really want it super obvious that they missed a spot shaving or have a small zit anyways. And sure the quality arguably falls to below 480p in very low light conditions, but that's not an issue in any normal well…

Yea, I hate the way the background blur feature in google meets suddenly make my face way brighter and "pop" in the video. With winter coming, I'm getting a lot less natural light in my work area and my videos just look dreary.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by colejohnson66 »

ralph87 wrote: post #539
Osiris wrote: post #480

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So the Pro should be able to maintain higher clock speeds for longer, is the assumption?

The emphasis here being on the word "should". I wouldn't buy just yet until some third party has published a sustained load/heat test. Apple have sucked at this for quite some years now, it's folly to touch a MacBook for anything remotely compute-intensive

Apple has always sucked when it came to cooling. The Apple /// and Lisa were plagued by “IC creep” where, due to heat expansion from inadequate cooling, the ICs would wiggle out of their sockets ever so slowly.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by mixermachine »

ajharrison wrote: post #623
justin66 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

More ram is patch for components that aren’t hyper-optimized to work together. The whole point of what apple is doing with their own silicon is to create that optimization, thus reducing the need for excessive ram. It’s worked for them for iPad and iPhone. Samsung et all would boast more ram but oddly enough iPhones were and remain faster

An iPad and iPhone mostly display one thing. One app or maybe a second one in split screen.

A laptop can run many things simultaneously. Web browser, Office suite, Musik, EMail client, Cloud sync... Even my mother struggled with 8GB RAM on here work machine and she is by far no PC expert. She writes emails and letters, opens spreadsheets and websites. Sometimes she gets a call and has to open another document or website. End of RAM.

I would NOT recommend the 8GB Macbook Pro for professional work.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by brandonmenc »

cactus2093 wrote: post #635
mFixman wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are missing out if you don't have 4 USB-C ports in both sides of your laptop. You can charge your laptop and connect a display with a single cable and without caring about putting the computer in the right direction.

Looks like the just announced 13" MBP only has 2 usb-c/thunderbolt ports and they're both on the same side. Never occurred to me they would go backwards on this, I bet this is one of those overlooked details that will get a lot of notice once people actually start receiving these new laptops.

There are two models of 13" MBP - based on the other specs of this new machine, it occupies the lower tier - which in the Intel models also only has two ports.

Presumably, when they fill the higher tier with the new chip it will also have more RAM and more USB ports.

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