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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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They kept the touch bar but it seems that they added (back) a physical Esc key, isn't that the most criticized missing key? Which other key do you miss now that Esc is back?

> Which other key do you miss now that Esc is back? I really need a Forward-Delete key - pressing Cmd+Backspace just doesn't work for me.

Fn+Backspace would work for you, though :P

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Oh that's right there was the model without the touchbar that had two ports and was a carryover from 2017, thanks for clarifying

There was a model even with the touchbar that only had two ports and one fan. the four port model got you more cores and two fans, quite a different computer internally despite sharing the same shape and 13" macbook pro label. very confusing for consumers.

Apparently confusing for me as well, because I'd never known of that device and I'm reasonably familiar with Apple's lineup.

Sure enough, it does exist: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP799

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Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

Seriously though what’s the connection between it being 2020 and there being more default RAM? Are you suggesting that in the year 2030 we should expect 100gb of RAM? The goal shouldn’t be to increase ageing technology but to replace it with something better.

Well, I get where you're coming from, but would compare it maybe to electric or hydrogen vs gas cars. If I was in the market for a new car and drove certain distances regularly, I probably wouldn't be the first to buy something that could only go half the distance less conveniently, but does it faster.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Huh, the Macbook Pro only has the same two thunderbolt/USB ports as the Air? (One of which will be in use by a power adapter if you are plugged in, so you really only have one port). I was imagining upgrading to the Pro to get more USB ports, but if that's not an option... I can't see why I'd ever pay for a Pro. I like having more than one USB port so I can copy things from one external HD to another. I guess I'd nee…

I thought so too, but it seems like the highest end 13" does have 4

oh yeah? do you mean the 16"? Oh yeah looks like it. That's too big for me. Odd, 13" with two ports or 16" with 4.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

It is definitely an adequate base spec. What would the random MacBook user fill 16GB of RAM with?

I have Firefox, Slack, MS Team, MS Word, MS Excel, and Onenote opened. The world's most boring office worker use case.

I know it's a deceptive metric but Task Manager shows 12.5GB "In Use". 16.2 Committed.

Each Firefox tab has between 250mb and 1g "Memory (Active Working Area)".

HUUUUUGeeeee long tail of 100MB trailing down to 20MB services and things. Adobe has half a dozen at all times, etc etc etc.

I'm game to use any other "more realistic" specification or monitor as I know that with memory paging and virtualization things are wonky.

I don't think this indicates I MUST have 12 or 16 or 32GB - I have a 4GB media PC that works just fine. But I do believe it's an indicator average user can use 16GB, if it's available. Or in other words, if I buy a $1000USD laptop, I don't think 16GB is going to waste away unused with zero benefit ever :-\

Again, perfectly willing to be educated :).

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Air only has passive cooling; Pro has a fan.

Oh I am sure judging by how excellent MacBook Pros cool things, having passive cooling will make no difference at all. I mean, during summer I put my MacBook on a large ice block that I freeze over night, this way I can maintain acceptable build & development speeds during the day. Should work the same for the MacBook Air. No?

It will be equally as hot, but quieter.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

The only bad thing about the current 16" is the Touch Bar. There is a lot to like about the rest though.

I was personally really hoping for an Intel 16" refresh today. I'm up for a new laptop at work and it's a little bit of a bummer to drop that much on a year-old machine. Not quite sure what to do at this point.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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>8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020. Why wouldn't it be? The iPad Pros max out at 6gb and yet they overperform the vast majority of laptops out there.

Do they overperform for laptop use cases or for iPad use cases?

What's the difference nowadays?

The vast majority of people need a social media, word editor, reminder list, chat machine.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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IDE + VMs + office + slack + zoom etc

I don't see this issue having IntelliJ, Xcode, VSCode, Slack, Discord, and more open simultaneously on a continuous issue...with 16 GB of RAM. I'm somewhat impressed by some of these stories about RAM usage - what are people doing?

RStudio, interrogating a ~0.5 billion record dataset. A 192G Ram machine.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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post #648
post #612

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Do they overperform for laptop use cases or for iPad use cases?

What's the difference nowadays? The vast majority of people need a social media, word editor, reminder list, chat machine.

Last time I checked, my laptop doesn't run the oom killer constantly.
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