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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by lern_too_spel »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #157
stefan_ wrote: post #95

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They call so you are not prepared and there isn't a ready record. It's probably in the antitrust trainings..

The solution is to have a sound recording device nearby and record the call as soon as you hear it's from Apple. Or record the calls on your phone if it allows it. It should be a starter kit of any developer for Apple platforms, just in case, you know. (Recording calls from numbers you don't recognize as a habit is not that stupid. Who knows, one day it's a robocall, another day Apple, still another day some death th…

It is illegal to record phone calls in California without obtaining consent from all parties. If you ask Apple for consent, they will hang up.

If you record the conversation without consent and shame them on the Internet, you can be sure Apple will sue. It is one the most litigious companies in our industry.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by devwastaken »

sooheon wrote: post #349
smnrchrds wrote: post #321

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> We're OK with the phrase because the alternative was people's phones being infested with malware and viruses. Exactly! Next, I hope Apple will apply the same curation and registration requirements to websites if they want to be browse-able on Safari. Internet is a dark place full of scams, fake news, and privacy pitfalls. It's time to replace the open web with a curated premium web. /s

The Apple store does not replace any open standards, it is merely an alternative. Apple cannot and does not you from using or paying for open hardware and software.

When a market becomes a requirement for society to operate it no longer is allowed to hide behind that veil. It's intellectually dishonest to ignore the issue at hand and instead excuse it with a "well no one forces you". Markets are a force that shape how people can live.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by nvrspyx »

zepto wrote: post #317
strken wrote: post #300

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There's a pretty clear reason for passing legislation to force Apple to allow third party stores, and I think it has been explained well in the parent comments: some people believe users should control their devices. There are also pretty clear reasons for not doing so: other people believe Apple should control its devices. Politicians can legislate things. They already get to dictate how parties interact. I'm not su…

This is not an accurate representation of reality. Users simply cannot control their devices. No individual can no matter how skilled. Software complexity moved past that point decades ago. All we can actually do is choose who to trust when we acquire software. Nobody is forced to choose or trust Apple, but many do. Since choices exist for people who want to decide for themselves who they trust to provide software, t…

> The people who argue that Apple should be forced to allow third party stores are only interested in the potential commercial gain they could make if they had access to Apple’s customers.

> They just want access to the customers so they can make money out of them.

> That is all this argument is about and all it has ever been about.

And this is not an accurate representation of reality. I have zero professional or financial connection to software development, but I still want Apple to allow third-party stores or at least third-party installs so I can do the things on my phone that I want to that Apple says no to. I want to play games on an emulator, I want to stream video games (e.g. xCloud) without downloading individual wrapper apps for each game or attempting to play through Safari, I want to use proper browser engines other than Safari and hopefully have proper uncrippled PWA support, I want to run interpreters/compilers/shells like iSH, I want to play adult games, etc.

What I find even more abhorrent is the notion that because you bought an Apple product that you belong solely to Apple when it comes to anything in regards to that device. I'm a consumer/customer period, not Apple's customer. I bought the phone because of the hardware quality and that should be the end of the transaction.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by thiht »

zepto wrote: post #299
echelon wrote: post #281

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You can't make that decision for me and millions of others. You're voting to make our industry inequitable and running software some Orwellian dystopia. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple one day mandated that we hand them the copyright to the code we write. We're one step away from that now: we already have to write against a strict spec, fit all the rules, and are subject to arbitrary dismissal. They take 30% and lea…

Are you an iOS developer? Do you own an iPhone?

Irrelevant.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

saagarjha wrote: post #346

Hi, Saagar from the iSH team here. We received a call from someone who runs App Review at Apple earlier this evening. They apologized for our review experience, telling us that they've accepted our appeal and that they will not be removing iSH from sale tomorrow. We'll work out the details with them in the coming days. A huge thanks to all of you for your support of iSH!

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by Xixi »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #323
zepto wrote: post #315

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They bought iPhones.

Nobody bought an iPhone because of this retriction. Most people buy iPhones for fashion. There are very few people who have been duped into buying iPhones because of the security and privacy marketing that doesn't hold up to the barest scrutiny — most iPhone users simply don't care about that aspect of Apple's marketing.

iPhones, I don't know, but offering iPads to parents/grandparents because of this restriction? Yes, I know many...

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

fsflover wrote: post #153
clusterfish wrote: post #133

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Switch where? Google's walled garden sucks too, even if slightly less right now. You can't fight a duopoly as if it's a competitive market.

The alternatives are GNU/Linux phones (PinePhone, Librem 5) and companies respecting users, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24866279

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by kimsant »

cstejerean wrote: post #282
kimsant wrote: post #200

This year I build qoob, an app to interact with an IOT electric scooter parking. In August I had the MVP ready, we build 2 prototypes and could save and charge scooters of all voltages in office halls. The project is not my main job, so time is precious. I was asked to create a new functionality: Allow companies to buy and borrow e-scooters between company employees. But what happened is that I had to implement Apple…

So you implemented Apple Login and none of your users use it?

I implemented Apple Login.

Took me about 2 months, since I do it on weekends, and had to move the deployment of the back-end microservices to a ci/cd docker instance since .so files of openssl can't be compiled in mac and used in linux ( i use Aws lambdas). And of course, I have a MAC because HOW else I would BUILd and Archive my ApPLE XCOdE IOS app haahah? In my prev company we had a Mac machine plugged with SSh to Jenkins!!! GOd! A company that has 700milion visitors A MONtH is forced to do this!

You see, the problem is they force my choices All the time, and by forcing it I have to make bad decisions.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by kimsant »

lmm wrote: post #347
kimsant wrote: post #200

This year I build qoob, an app to interact with an IOT electric scooter parking. In August I had the MVP ready, we build 2 prototypes and could save and charge scooters of all voltages in office halls. The project is not my main job, so time is precious. I was asked to create a new functionality: Allow companies to buy and borrow e-scooters between company employees. But what happened is that I had to implement Apple…

> (and I can't leave apple, because I can't leave my users) You have to. That's the only thing that will ever stop Apple doing this, if devs leave and users leave. Otherwise why would they care?

Apple wins before I can breath. If I don't say Android/IOs app, I'm off the market for a IOT B2B product. Would be a beautiful Harakiri but totally useless
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