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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by smnrchrds »

crazygringo wrote: post #293
echelon wrote: post #223

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Stop defending Apple and their shitty behavior. > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software How is it 2020 and we're okay with this phrase? What the hell happened? Apple is an enemy of computing and the DOJ needs to break them up.

Why did you quote that 4 times? We're OK with the phrase because the alternative was people's phones being infested with malware and viruses. It's pretty obvious that's what happened. Apple built a phone you can let your whole family use without worries. Why are you confused by this? If computing is your goal, then an iPhone is obviously not the device for you. Fortunately for you, there are tons of other platforms f…

> We're OK with the phrase because the alternative was people's phones being infested with malware and viruses.

Exactly! Next, I hope Apple will apply the same curation and registration requirements to websites if they want to be browse-able on Safari. Internet is a dark place full of scams, fake news, and privacy pitfalls. It's time to replace the open web with a curated premium web. /s

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Post by lern_too_spel »

crazygringo wrote: post #293
echelon wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop defending Apple and their shitty behavior. > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software How is it 2020 and we're okay with this phrase? What the hell happened? Apple is an enemy of computing and the DOJ needs to break them up.

Why did you quote that 4 times? We're OK with the phrase because the alternative was people's phones being infested with malware and viruses. It's pretty obvious that's what happened. Apple built a phone you can let your whole family use without worries. Why are you confused by this? If computing is your goal, then an iPhone is obviously not the device for you. Fortunately for you, there are tons of other platforms f…

Yet despite this, more Apple users have been infected with malware (Xcodeghost) than users of Amazon and Google Android devices combined, despite there being far more Amazon and Google Android users than Apple users.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

zepto wrote: post #315
echelon wrote: post #291

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Bingo! This option doesn't open a black hole that suddenly swallows your grandparents. Where are all the people begging for Google to close this?

They bought iPhones.

Nobody bought an iPhone because of this retriction. Most people buy iPhones for fashion. There are very few people who have been duped into buying iPhones because of the security and privacy marketing that doesn't hold up to the barest scrutiny — most iPhone users simply don't care about that aspect of Apple's marketing.

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Post by saagarjha »

BuzzwordBingo wrote: post #201
mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

Seems more like they built an application which violated the App Store rules from the beginning and now want an exception carved out for them “because Linux” or something. Emulating a whole system that itself follows none of the apple walled garden restrictions is a recipe for failure.

The argument is that enforcing App Store Review Guidelines inside a scripting engine is technically very difficult and usually not an issue provided the characteristics we mentioned exist regarding user intent. The other argument is that our scripting environment is substantially identical to all other environments inasmuch as review decisions made against us would apply to them, which leads to semi-absurd rejections.

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Post by speedyapoc »

Osiris wrote: post #303
syrrim wrote: post #222

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The wording of the app store guideline is here: > https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sof... >Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. "in limited circumstances", "provided that such code is not used for other purposes". This is worded generically enou…

How does one know that they will comply with a rule like that? Do they 1. Build the app first and hope for the best (this seems to happen a lot) 2. Get some type of preliminary approval by Apple so they don't sink all the money into building the app if it won't be?

Likely option 1. In my experience, App Review will not entertain any sort of "preliminary approval" but you could theoretically submit a less polished version of the app to test the waters.

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Post by saagarjha »

Osiris wrote: post #301
harrisonjackson wrote: post #74

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The reviewer that reinstalled the package manager with wget is my favorite part of this whole debacle. The reviewer could in theory reimplement an os in python or javascript in one of the already approved scripting applications. Then implement apt-get or another package manager and install all sorts of dangerous codes!! /s

Many apps, especially JavaScript based ones download unapproved JavaScript without a user's consent or knowledge as updates to the app outside of the review process but those are still allowed.

They may still be approved but I believe recent changes to the rules have made this behavior against the rules.

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Post by mullingitover »

hda2 wrote: post #268
mullingitover wrote: post #205

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This is not a realistic scenario, but even if it was there's a trivial workaround: sign up for a new account. And at the end of the day, what made you buy that iDevice? Raw hardware? You can buy any old ARM tablet if that's what you want. You probably bought that iDevice because you want the secure device, with a full stack and ecosystem, which includes ongoing work from Apple to provide OS patches for security holes…

If a comet hits CA tomorrow and the company collapses, do you think I would still be able to "control" my device? What about patching it up or installing a new system? People who buy iOS devices don't control them. Full stop.

Apple has multiple regional data centers, if they’re all wiped out it probably means the collapse of civilization anyway. So another implausible scenario.

Just saying “you don’t control your device” doesn’t make it true, and regardless: the limitations have been a known quantity for a long time, and most people are fine with them. Apple’s secure, locked-down device experience is so popular that we’re complaining about their monopoly.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

zepto wrote: post #247
RonanTheGrey wrote: post #172

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I'd still like a good explanation why I can't do what I want with my phone. You don't want do to that? Good, don't. Make it so that I can, if I have to tick a box somewhere hidden in Apple's labyrinthine and undiscoverable Settings app. Of course, we already know the answer why I can't do what I want with my phone, because it isn't my phone, is it, Apple continues to think of it as theirs and they simply grudgingly r…

You can do what you want with your phone. You have a legal right to jailbreak it and hack on it in any way you like.

That relies on the device being so insecure that it has a rootable vulnerability, which is even worse.

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Post by saagarjha »

zepto wrote: post #242
headmelted wrote: post #156

Don’t build software for Apple devices. It’s a pretty straightforward solution. Apple has shown time and again that they’ll crush your project/business in an instant without recourse or a second thought. Nothing on the App Store, regardless of whether it complies with Apple’s policies currently or not, has any guarantee it won’t be disappeared tomorrow for non-compliance when the wind blows in a different direction (…

Did those parental control apps actually work? I wasn’t aware iOS actually provided enough low level access for 3rd parties to develop anything like that.

Generally they relied on profiles that restricted access to certain applications and added VPNs to sinkhole traffic to undesirable domains.

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Post by easton »

zmk5 wrote: post #57

I have a feeling they are going to release something on Tuesday. They just gave the same notice to a-shell too to remove `pip`, `wasm`, and `curl`.

I don’t know, it’s not like these compete with a true *nix userland or Xcode really (since Apple can get 100x or more performance than the emulator that iSH is forced to use due to the sandbox restrictions). It seems like they are more concerned that Microsoft can say “No Game Pass? But I can download Tux Racer on iSH!!1!” which doesn’t look awesome to a judge.

I’d love to be wrong. Every time I think about buying an iPad keyboard I get cranky that I can’t run brew and CPython (or shoot, Swift outside of the subset in Playgrounds) and everything else I can on a real Mac.

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