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Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by hellotomyrars »

cjjuice wrote: post #101
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

"Unfiltered Information" is a nice ideal but it's also just not true. Additionally it doesn't account for intentional disinformation.

Regardless of the source, the information has already been filtered through whoever is presenting it.

(In this specific case I think the actions taken by Twitter were bone-headed/shortsighted but Twitter has no obligation to host any content or uphold your first amendment rights because they don't apply to Twitter.)

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Post by whimsicalism »

hourislate wrote: post #403
koenigdavidmj wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ZH was talking about coronavirus way earlier than anyone else, which is bound to happen if you don’t validate as well—sometimes you do strike gold. A comment I saw once about them was “ZH has reported five of the last three catastrophes”.

4Chan is light years ahead of ZH and the rest. There were posts that were so eerily accurate about the virus late Dec into the first couple of weeks of January it was freakish. People like to write off 4Chan for all the shit posting and racism, etc. But if you can ignore all that there are truly some amazing Gems to be found.

Source on the late December? Early January is irrelevant, but I would like to see the former if that is a true claim.

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Post by BurningFrog »

brynjolf wrote: post #353
dcolkitt wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History has no shortage of horrific atrocities carried out by people with a genuine desire to remake a better world.

And vice versa, the side that has been Conservative continue to be on the wrong side of history over abs over again, yet never fail to say the other side is to blame. Gay rights Women rights Liberty Always one side saying let's wait a bit longer, let's listen to our lies for a bit longer.

Counterexample: Conservatives opposed Communism.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by duxup »

whimsicalism wrote: post #440
selectodude wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ZH was saying that it was going to be a catastrophe before China even started lying about how they had it under control.

> China even started lying about how they had it under control. If you think China was lying about it, you should see the public statements of checks notes every head of state in the West.

Outside of Trump... i'm not aware of any large scale deception or ... just plain ignorance when it comes to trump.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by tqi »

keiferski wrote: post #419
tqi wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advocating for decentralization feels like presenting filter bubbles and echo chambers as a positive feature.

No, it means advocating for independent methods of verification that aren’t controlled by biased, unelected, unaccountable corporate entities.

Wouldn't decentralization just give people the option to choose from several different biased, unelected, unaccountable corporate entities?

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by 360walk »

tbenst wrote: post #97

I’m reminded by the stories in 2016 on how the Pope has endorsed Donald Trump. Was it true? Not in the slightest. And yet these stories got millions of impressions. Enabling the spread of harmful, false, foreign-planted propaganda to spread like a cancer in our democracy is worth taking a moral stand over. Actors that propagate such falsehoods have earned their punishment. Equivocation in this thread to NYTimes publi…

Here is an interesting study on NYTimes and fake news:

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/fake-news-media-election-trump....

It makes the case that:

1) Adults in America saw hardly any fake news stories (on average one per person, massively dwarfed by real news and political ads) 2) Main Stream Media were far more "to blame", focusing on scandal instead of policy. They give an example of the NY times ran more front page stories on Hillary's emails in 10 days, than they ever ran on Trump/Hillary policy comparisons.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by bgorman »

mantap wrote: post #327
tomcam wrote: post #169

Those of you who think locking the account was a good idea should remember you won’t always be in the majority.

Do you think that fake news websites (websites that intentionally post falsehoods to drive traffic) should be allowed to post on social media with impunity? How is that workable? Many people cannot distinguish fake news from legitimate sources of information. Increasing noise (disinformation) is just as damaging to free speech as decreasing the signal (censorship).

Twitter isn't saying the information is false. Twitter is saying the information was "hacked".

The truth matters more than how the truth was obtained.

If you don't your dirty laundry aired, don't have dirty laundry.

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Post by judge2020 »

khawkins wrote: post #239
orf wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your ISP and phone provider are private/non-state-owned entities too. Yep, and they can also terminate your service for any reason they choose.

I don't think this is true, and even if it were it would be something everyone except literal fascists would oppose.

This isn't true in text, but national service providers very well could terminate someone for 'violating' their acceptable use policies and, unless they make a huge stink about it that gains state-wide or nation-wide attention, nobody's going to look too deep into why you were terminated. Maybe fining a small claims case could do something about it but I wouldn't count on it.

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Post by projektfu »

mainstreem wrote: post #391
ZeteticElench wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential candidate " Which is so obviously fake it isn't even funny. I'm getting very tired of the GOP's shameless tendency of creating controversies out of nothing. This is just another Benghazi or Hillary's Emails or Migrant Caravan.

Where's the evidence that the data on the hard drives and laptop were fabricated? There's a lot more physical evidence behind the Hunter Biden Laptop Story (and its censorship) than there was behind, oh I don't know, the impeachment of the President last January. I must assume you have personal possession of exculpatory physical evidence. Please share your physical evidence that discredits the physical evidence you d…

After the Killian documents controversy, the onus is on the publisher to authenticate this type information before they publish it, not on the public to believe it until it is shown to be inauthentic. In that event, the Republican candidate was hurt by a forgery that then resulted in the resignation of Dan Rather, a very prominent news anchor.

In the impeachment case, that was not a case of the press digging up a document and making an accusation. It was the release of an accusation made to an inspector general. In and of itself, that is news. The fact that the white house was trying to prevent the release of the inspector general complaint to the Congress was also news. At that point, the veracity of the claim needs to be determined, and opinions clearly differed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by picardythird »

cjjuice wrote: post #101
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

But here you have a man who stormed a pizza parlor with an AR-15, ready to uncover the global cabal of pedophilia that has infiltrated the Democratic Party.

Or the woman who won't vaccinate her children because she believes vaccines cause autism.

Or the person, communicating via the satellites that circle the Earth, who believes that the Earth is flat.

These people aren't rare - they're common. We live in an era of disinformation, and the very idea of truth has been eroded.

False stories spread over Twitter like wildfire, and to think that the majority of the thousands of readers who consume them are fact-checking them is perhaps a bit hopeful.

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