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Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by orf »

manigandham wrote: post #95
orf wrote: post #82

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> Twitter is an infrastructure on top of which thousands of services are run. It's a notification service, it's a messaging server, it's an authentication/identify verification service, it's a news dissemination and discussion service, etc. It's all of these, except private. It's a privately run notification/messaging/authentication/identity/verification service. Just one that is widely used. That doesn't make it "pu…

Your ISP and phone provider are private/non-state-owned entities too. The corporation providing the service doesn't matter, it's the how the service itself is used by the public. And social media is now at the same level as phones and internet.

> Your ISP and phone provider are private/non-state-owned entities too.

Yep, and they can also terminate your service for any reason they choose.

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Post by zonzobonzo »

Nacdor wrote: post #10
r00fus wrote: post #2

Twitter is a private corporation and perhaps its best if we all realize that FB/Twitter/Google are biased agencies. That said, maybe it's best if NYPost stays off Twitter.

> That said, maybe it's best if NYPost stays off Twitter. You believe it would be best if public discourse became even more of a one-sided echo chamber? Why is that?

Lol @ Public discourse. Propaganda and populist rhetoric filed by foreign adversories is not discourse.

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Post by goalieca »

La1n wrote: post #129
cjjuice wrote: post #101

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It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

>That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But fake news has been spreading a lot, while maybe not in your circles it does still happen. And retraction or an apology article will not be spread as widely due to the fact that a lot of fake news is specifically inflammatory to be spread quickly and widely.

The truth is often not black and white and doubly so when in the context of persuasion. When you start censoring information for accuracy then you're only getting one person's version of the truth which is even worse because now you're putting a gold stamp on it!

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Post by vmception »

commandlinefan wrote: post #79
vmception wrote: post #17

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I don't understand how people want to ignore that being pro-"free speech" means private sector corporations can choose which speech they want to associate with too just like an individual can. You have the right to say whatever you want, everyone else has the right to not allow it on their property. There is no first amendment right to compelled listening. We aren't remotely close to having that. There isn't even a s…

What makes you think anybody is insisting that Twitter has to carry whatever content? We're just calling them out for being biased.

I run into a "I'm pro free speech and am therefore offended when a platform censors something by nature of them censoring at all" comment practically everyday now

people are just conflating the concepts, and I also would not be able to tell if they are consciously referring to the American constitution or a concept that goes far beyond that

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Post by keiferski »

olivermarks wrote: post #168
keiferski wrote: post #144

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That's a quote from Fight Club and more of a joke than anything, IIRC.

Most of the articles are written by 'Tyler Durden', part of the 'fight club' philosophy joke.

Right, so I think looking for a deeper philosophy in the choice of name and tagline is a bit futile. "Tyler Durden" used to be the cool pseudonym to use online circa 2005.

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Post by khawkins »

jimbokun wrote: post #99
cortesoft wrote: post #40

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Power companies are regulated monopolies. There are no competitors. Twitter is in no way even close to the only way to publish something. It is no where near as difficult to publish on a different platform than it is to generate your own power. If an ISP was cutting off the NyPost, I would have issues with that. If they had their domain name seized, I would have an issue with that. If other ISPs blocked network route…

A very small handful of companies have a stranglehold over the lion's share of all global communications: Google, Facebook, Apple, Twitter. So maybe Twitter isn't quite a monopoly on its own, but the consolidation of control over information and data distribution into the hands of a very small number of organizations has worrying implications for how we think about censorship and freedom of speech.

It's interesting to see how quickly Silicon Valley culture has changed over the past 10 years from one of free speech absolutism to "benevolent censorship". The people so vociferously clamoring about the nightmare-hellscape of a world without Net-Neutrality are now telling us that a handful of major corporations actively and blatantly censoring speech is no cause for concern.

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Post by bigbubba »

ardy42 wrote: post #137
bigbubba wrote: post #88

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The New York Times once allowed itself to be used as a mouthpiece for Stalin, publishing Walter Duranty's denials of famine in Ukraine. They didn't come clean on this until 1990: https://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/24/opinion/the-editorial-not... More recently, they allowed themselves to be used as the uncritical mouthpiece of the American federal government when they were starting an illegal war predicated on lies: http…

Being reputable and being perfectly accurate all the time are different things. Listing a handful of cases where a reputable source was not accurate does not prove the source is not reputable. It's like trying to prove science is a sham by talking about phlogiston.

None can be counted on. I happen to think the NYTimes is better than most, which is why I read them more often than the rest. But you cannot count on them to not tell lies, even in the most important sort of matters, and anybody who reads any newspaper should always keep that uncertainty in mind.

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

cjjuice wrote: post #101
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

Why?

Who's job should it be?

> we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person.

Maybe dumb is the wrong word - but most people are not that bright. There's nothing wrong with saying that - it's why BS marketing is so effective.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by dmcq2 »

I'm in favor of twitter banning links until the New York Post blacks out the email addresses in its pictures. That sort of thing is not necessary for the story and lots of trolls reading them will simply destroy them. It looks like inciting harassment to me instead of press free speech.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by influx »

quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

I'm curious what your thoughts are on the NY Times pushing false information that led to the second Iraq War? Should they get penalized on Twitter after pushing a narrative that led to hundreds of thousands of deaths?

From the NY Times itself (https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/world/from-the-editors-th...)

"But we have found a number of instances of coverage that was not as rigorous as it should have been. In some cases, information that was controversial then, and seems questionable now, was insufficiently qualified or allowed to stand unchallenged. Looking back, we wish we had been more aggressive in re-examining the claims as new evidence emerged -- or failed to emerge.

On Oct. 26 and Nov. 8, 2001, for example, Page 1 articles cited Iraqi defectors who described a secret Iraqi camp where Islamic terrorists were trained and biological weapons produced. These accounts have never been independently verified."

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