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Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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> Twitter is an infrastructure on top of which thousands of services are run. It's a notification service, it's a messaging server, it's an authentication/identify verification service, it's a news dissemination and discussion service, etc. It's all of these, except private. It's a privately run notification/messaging/authentication/identity/verification service. Just one that is widely used. That doesn't make it "pu…

You're talking past each other. OP was framing Twitter as a "natural monopoly": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly The barrier to creating a new social network once network effects have locked in a few major players is enormous. In this situation, the market is more efficient when the large incumbents are granted a highly-regulated monopoly status. That's how power companies work. You don't have new power…

No, that's not how power companies are other utilities work and that's not what a natural monopoly is.

A natural monopoly is one that arises due to the high costs of entering the market and other barriers to entry that make it difficult for competitors to establish a footing.

Utilities are natural monopolies because it is very expensive to place pipes, transmission lines, etc., over large geographic areas. Consequently, a company must either have large starting capital or the ability to grab a large enough portion of the market to pay for the costs of the initial infrastructure outlay.

The barrier to entry for the short form messaging market? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Any programmer can recreate the functional parts of Twitter in under a day, scaling aside. And there are already several Twitter competitors. They're simply not very popular because they're difficult to use.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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NYT didn't publish Trump's tax returns, they published prose about supposed contents of Trump's tax returns. If the articles had PDFs of the documents at the bottom, Twitter should probably block them too. But they don't.

And why do you think that's a meaningful distinction? No, I didn't publish a picture of your credit card, just the numbers on it.

Journalists have been dealing with this for a long time. For instance they don't release information about minors accused of a crime even if they have access to it, but they do discuss the events that happened. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Or on the side that Twitter thinks is the good side.

We are on the right side of history - progress always is. People like me are much more trustworthy because we're not motivated by greed, but for the desire for a better world.

History has no shortage of horrific atrocities carried out by people with a genuine desire to remake a better world.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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You're talking past each other. OP was framing Twitter as a "natural monopoly": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly The barrier to creating a new social network once network effects have locked in a few major players is enormous. In this situation, the market is more efficient when the large incumbents are granted a highly-regulated monopoly status. That's how power companies work. You don't have new power…

No, that's not how power companies are other utilities work and that's not what a natural monopoly is. A natural monopoly is one that arises due to the high costs of entering the market and other barriers to entry that make it difficult for competitors to establish a footing. Utilities are natural monopolies because it is very expensive to place pipes, transmission lines, etc., over large geographic areas. Consequent…

Isn't that what I said? That the cost of entering the market of mass-scale social media companies is extremely high?

I wholeheartedly disagree that the cost is "nothing, nada, zilch". The network effects of having everybody using a couple of sites is what makes the cost of switching high, not the technical triviality of creating a new website.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Or on the side that Twitter thinks is the good side.

We are on the right side of history - progress always is. People like me are much more trustworthy because we're not motivated by greed, but for the desire for a better world.

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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I mean, isn't it good when they uniformly apply policies against sharing illicitly obtained private content?

Will this apply this to the discussion about the claim that Trump paid $750 in taxes? Would this apply to the Trump access hollywood tape (grab them by the...)?

No. The access Hollywood tape wasn't made by Trump, and no one published the private tax returns. Had they published the original tax returns, rather than describing them, it would have been different.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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To the people constantly saying that twitter is a private company and should be allowed to do whatever they want: Would you support the same idea around electrical power? If the power company providing the power to the office at the NyPost decided that they had a political disagreement with them, would it be okay to just cut off their power? NyPost could just make their own power, of course, by purchasing a generator…

Twitter is not a utility. It is not common infrastructure. The Internet is, and I would not be okay with Internet access being terminated over political disagreements. But individual services? Sure, why not? For those who argue that Twitter is a de facto common platform, well these decisions are moving them away from that role. The more they exercise their own prerogatives in removing content, the more they're no lon…

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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post #64

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> The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. Interesting... after reading this, I immediately thought: same as Zero Hedge (also often criticised). But then again, that shouldn't be a surprise - b…

Yikes - I've found Zerohedge to be scarily accurate over time! Depends on your political allegiances I suppose but my mother taught me when i was kid to always read the financial press - 'follow the money to find out what the b@stards are thinking' was her old line. (she used to work for the UK tory party in the '50's, despised them). ZH is what many city of London and wall street minions read live on their bloomberg…

What is one example of ZH’s accuracy?

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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As a counterpoint, Twitter as a company isn't forced to do any such thing, so if they think it can hurt its userbase and its revenue, it won't be done. Social media tries to establish a unique public forum, that gets policed by a single company. It's an unsustainable, doomed model. There's a reason the Internet as a whole is serviced by miriads of companies that are more or less forced to cooperate.

I think there needs to be rules about transparency for media companies. In court you have to argue about and explain any disallowance of evidence; however in the court of public opinion, the media, no such rules apply. Obviously you have to be careful when coming up with rules for government regulation of media, but the laissez faire thing we're doing now doesn't seem to be heading on a positive trendline.

You are describing the abridging private organizations' right to free speech by congress...

Twitter isn't the government, and they don't control speech anywhere but on the platform that they own. They could ban the American Flag and they still wouldn't owe anyone an explanation short of their stakeholders who are going to want to know how this factors into Twitter's only business: Selling ads.

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