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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by hhjinks »

brianhorakh wrote: post #212
ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

Educate yourself. Reddit r/sino is a great place to read the opposition. There are ALWAYs two sides to these stories. Many are fabricated to apply for diplomatic immunity. Uighers represent a very small minority of the overall Chinese population, but almost all domestic terrorism (when the campaign against their culture started in 2014). Yes, their religious culture is being attacked, yes many (most) are good people,…

Oh no, imagine resorting to terrorism when your ethnicity and culture is systematically being erased by the second largest regime in the world.

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Post by gremlinsinc »

iaw wrote: post #194
andyv wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, "Congress" is both the House of Representatives and the Senate, not just the House.

The House of Representatives is often colloquially referred to as "congress" don't ask me why even though that's the name of the bicameral body.

I think it's because ... reps are called congressmen/women, senators in the senate are well, called senators...

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Post by cameronh90 »

sircastor wrote: post #257
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #48

think twice before buying made in china, for this man,s torture is added to your karma.

There is undoubtedly a strong connection between the Chinese government and business there, But you’re going to run into ethical quandaries in any country in the world if you’re attributing responsibility of government actions to the whole of the people. As an American, I am appalled at some of the things my government does. I don’t avoid things made in the US because of that.

As an American you have direct leverage over your government through democracy.

Lacking that kind of leverage, economic leverage is really the best next thing isn't it?

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Post by hannofcart »

sircastor wrote: post #257
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #48

think twice before buying made in china, for this man,s torture is added to your karma.

There is undoubtedly a strong connection between the Chinese government and business there, But you’re going to run into ethical quandaries in any country in the world if you’re attributing responsibility of government actions to the whole of the people. As an American, I am appalled at some of the things my government does. I don’t avoid things made in the US because of that.

> But you’re going to run into ethical quandaries ... if you’re attributing responsibility of government actions to the whole of the people.

This is true more so when the people didn't even elect this government.

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Post by crocal »

aleksjess wrote: post #199
crocal wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pay your taxes so that your military can keep an eye on the assholes who do this, and so that UN may offer some form of asylum to their victims. Vote for politicians that oppose this shit publicly. Explain to your kids why this is wrong.

Wow, this is a really poor proposal. Intervening in another's country internal affairs leads to a war. UN is a nice idea, though it doesn't work in reality. To apply for an asylum, you need to leave the country. Low likelyhood of happening. I explain why its wrong to my kids. What then? As sad as it is, we can't do much if anything.

Maybe I am an optimist, but that seems really bleak thinking.

1/ « Keep an eye on » is different than « Intervene ». We have to have satellites out there mapping this stuff in excruciating detail, and spies tracking who is responsible for what, and special forces hit them if they step out in a zone where they can be hit. The people who perpetrate this must live in fear.

2/ The UN is full of problems, but if a resolution grants universal asylum to Uighurs anywhere in the world, then at least those people will know there is somewhere they can escape to. That’s something.

3/ Your kids might one day be in a position to do something about it. Telling them why this is wrong, and why they should care, might just be the most important thing you do in your life.

I don’t want to start a big argument. I just want to say that we can all do little things that do matter collectively.

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Post by throw51319 »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #267
eloff wrote: post #259

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You're getting down-voted because trump derangement syndrome. But it's true. No President has taken a harder line on China and the CCP. If you're in the US and you want to do something about the CCP, probably the most effective thing you could do is vote Trump. And I'm saying this as liberal who can't stand Trump. If that's effective for the long-term future and prosperity of the US, which is also important to counte…

As a leftist, who hates biden AND trump (almost equally) and voted green but almost voted Biden (i'm not in a swing state), I see Trump as a catalyst for change, I wanted him to win to unite people on the left to move more left, and upturn neoliberalism (looks like it's working), however - I'm changing my tune a tiny bit, namely because of covid and how that's going down. I don't think Trump can handle fixing this, a…

What kind of fool would vote 3rd party in an election with the gravity of this one?

This isn't the time to make some symbolic stand, it's time to vote Trump out - if that's what you believe in.

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Post by eznzt »

veridies wrote: post #247
eznzt wrote: post #234

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I guess you feel the same about what Macron is doing?

Macron is trying to incorporate French Islam into French society. His tactics may be good or bad, I'm not qualified to say, but he certainly is not trying to eradicate a population or its culture, and he is not rounding up religious minorities into concentration camps. Whataboutism only works when the crimes are on vaguely the same scale; this is like comparing bank robbery to music piracy.

There is no such thing as "French Islam". It's either French culture or Islamic culture. Macron has said (I don't really believe him) French culture is the only option.

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Post by ilaksh »

This is obviously quite horrible for Uighurs. But to me this is actually also a very serious security issue for westerners. For multiple reasons: 1) this type of inhumane treatment has historically been used to justify wars, 2) there is a starkly different culture, and worldview as well as a very effective authoritarian regime "supporting" it.

3) We have very dire global economic conditions.

4) The people being tortured have more racial, ethnic and cultural similarity to people outside of China than inside.

In the past we have seen global wars in similar circumstances. There needs to be a serious effort at an alternative resolution. But it seems like it would be much easier and likely than any clever development in a positive direction that the massive arsenals would start to be deployed.

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Post by baybal2 »

ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

> I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020?

> I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

You are not a lowly computer programmer, but a person near the top of income vertical for as long as salaried people go.

The two most potent political instruments ever are the money, and firearms. You may not have the second, but certainly have first.

Saying this, people have to ask a question not who are the bigger enemies to the civilised mankind, but who are the biggest threat. Are they are the people who perpetrate genocides in parts of the world where the light doesn't shine, or the people who cover for them in the West, while living a comfy life, and enjoying all benefits of life in a civil state.

Without any hesitation I will say that while Xis, Putins, and Sisis are the biggest enemies of the civilised mankind, but the biggest threat to civil state as we know it comes from people in the West who made their ascension to power possible.

I believe the majority opinion of WW2 historians is that the war was very well preventable, or it was possible to nip it at the bud if the West wasn't stalled in its tracks by internal political sabotage by people who were not much dissimilar to those Western politicians who now flirt with rouge regimes, and sometimes directly facilitating them.

A very good reason to think to all of HN readers who were fortunate to be born in the free world.

From my lifelong misfortune with politics, I can affirm the saying that it's much, much, much more hard to "create" new power, than it is to take, or receive existing power from somebody else.

My advise, join all major political parties, and fight, fight, fight, until you can do something real, and the money you have can help you in this a lot.

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Post by boruto »

slang800 wrote: post #215
Mindless2112 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Country of origin is often not stated on product listings, and it's not clear what it should say for things made partially in multiple countries.

Do some research then. It's not impossible to figure out where things are coming from.

I was trying to buy headphones from a market chain the other day and all the models in 100 eur range were made in china. With some having designed in xxx and made in china.
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