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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by Hydraulix989 »

kepler1 wrote: post #210
bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

As long as 95% of the people in the US keep on buying items with their wallets open, and we're distracted with our own internal strife, what hope is there to counter this? Our leadership certainly isn't up to standing against this sort of thing these days.

Say what you want about Trump, who is a completely disgusting individual, but I have seen more progress this presidential term in this regard than ever before.

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Post by bleepblorp »

nerdtime wrote: post #193
bleepblorp wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is horrible. No doubt this is an allergic immune response to terrorism. That was the start of Chinese persecution of the Uyghurs, but the current leadership in China has adopted a broad policy of persecuting racial minorities. I'm not sure what their ultimate motivations are but they are targeting many, if not most, of China's non-Han ethnic groups without regard to whether they pose a terrorism risk or not.

Curious, yeah this is interesting. The powers gained to quell the terrorism seem to be getting used to fulfill ulterior motives, not to different from the presidential powers gained after 9/11. Seems to be a common phenomenon. Do you have a source where I can start reading more about this stuff?

Here's a few reasonably recent articles:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/21/world/asia/china-islam-cr...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Inner_Mongolia_protests

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/30/chinese-communist-party...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/06/chairman-xi-se...

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Post by tomc1985 »

monksy wrote: post #174
tomc1985 wrote: post #162

This post needs to be higher in the list. Everyone that the CCP deputizes as one of their spies needs to have their nose held to this shit.

Someone's social score went down. / Someone isn't going to be allowed to leave China. (Why was this statement made? This is a country that does not like criticism, and the routinely will try to stop it.)

Which is why the Chinese government needs to be called out, and their stoolies shamed publicly.

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Post by franklampard »

skeptictw wrote: post #40

Is there actually any proof of this account? This reads like propaganda designed to sucker both the left (torture, islamophobia) and right (communism and lack of religious freedom). Next article will talk about WMDs and blown up buddhist statues (stories which convinced both sides of the media to push for war in iraq and afghanistan).

Because it is from a unheard of UK news outlet, it must been verified!

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Post by legolas2412 »

morelisp wrote: post #175
yeetman21 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely false. The transportation and logistical requirement alone would have outweighed the costs of a mass grave or pyre.

Is this some bizarre new form of holocaust denial? "Yes, it happened, but the Nazis _could_ have been so much worse!"

It's even more bizzare if you look at the original claim.

"China isn't committing a genocide like the Nazis, because they could just shoot everyone. But, the Nazis didn't do it either, so the Nazis weren't committing genocide like those damn Nazis either"

Bizzare argument.

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Post by ShroudedNight »

brianhorakh wrote: post #212
ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

Educate yourself. Reddit r/sino is a great place to read the opposition. There are ALWAYs two sides to these stories. Many are fabricated to apply for diplomatic immunity. Uighers represent a very small minority of the overall Chinese population, but almost all domestic terrorism (when the campaign against their culture started in 2014). Yes, their religious culture is being attacked, yes many (most) are good people,…

> yet as Muslims they self-identify as separate from the Han culture.

By all accounts they appear to be justified in doing so.

> The Muslim community has a very us vs them mentality which is not healthy for national unity that china CCP desires.

Perhaps the CCP should find a model for national unity that Uighurs would overwhelmingly give their enthusiastic consent to.

> China has a 5000 year old culture and a majority of people experienced significant hardships and starvation in the last century.

>This Uigher generation is suffering so the future uigher can fit into the society better.

What relevance does the historical suffering of the Han? population have to do with the current, actively manufactured suffering of the Uighurs, beyond bitter vindictiveness?

> They emphasize national unity (vs individalism) in a way western people cannot even begin to understand, but belonging to such a group is not entirely bad. This Uigher generation is suffering so the future uigher can fit into the society better.

"Prepare to be assimilated; resistance is futile" "Surrender or die."

There's a reason the Borg were considered villains.

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Post by veridies »

eznzt wrote: post #234
sdwa wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yours is possibly the most vile comment I think I've ever read on this website.

I guess you feel the same about what Macron is doing?

Macron is trying to incorporate French Islam into French society. His tactics may be good or bad, I'm not qualified to say, but he certainly is not trying to eradicate a population or its culture, and he is not rounding up religious minorities into concentration camps. Whataboutism only works when the crimes are on vaguely the same scale; this is like comparing bank robbery to music piracy.

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Post by vaccinator »

root_axis wrote: post #216
vaccinator wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is censorship on HN... not only downvotes and flagging... sometimes admins move entire threads wherever they want too... There is also the opposite of censorship (they boost some content)

Forum moderation is not censorship.

It is not only toxic content that is threated that way... but I think that they do it less nowadays... or they are getting better at it.

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Post by crispyporkbites »

bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

Any Amazon engineers want to comment on why a country of origin flag is not on every product? Has this been discussed internally at Amazon?
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