I don't know what to say or describe my feelings after reading that article -- How can we help ?
I wonder if calling our representatives can help
I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps
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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps
#32Paul Graham should keep these political topics off the table and ban this foreign powers
Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps
#33I have never read a first-hand account, that is why I am posting this.
https://bitterwinter.org/tag/muslim-uyghurs/ has a bunch more articles focusing on the experience of single individuals, mixed in with more broad reporting.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn’t anything specific to communism. The horrors human inflict upon each other is pretty sad and telling.
Ultimately, this is specific of any form of government with too much power over its people. That’s a requirement of communism which is why this is often attributed to communism as an expected outcome. It’s entirely possible in any form of government that disarms and controls its people, rather than empowers them.
Modern democratic countries just move the “pain inflicting part” to far away lands, deemed not democratic enough or ripe for explotation.
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#35Primary sources have been lacking in coverage of this story; is the Communist party that powerful in controlling first hand accounts?
Given that his entire family in China has effectively been erased as far as he knows, I think the CCP has a pretty strong level of control in the vast majority of cases.
He currently lives in Netherlands while his wife and child are in Turkey.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
However bad communism is, please don't take HN threads in generic ideological directions. Those are off topic here. Hundreds of explanations of why that is may be found at these links: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
This comment was censored because it was critical of communism.
You've edited your comment at least five times. The original one said "This site sucks".
Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps
#37This is horrible. No doubt this is an allergic immune response to terrorism. The actions here on a different level than what's going on in Hong Kong, possibly because of this:
"In July 2009, riots broke out in Xinjiang in response to a violent dispute between Uyghur and Han Chinese workers in a factory and result in over 100 deaths. Following the riots, Uyghur radicals killed dozens of Chinese citizens in coordinated attacks from 2009 to 2016. These included the August 2009 syringe attacks, the 2011 bomb-and-knife attack in Hotan, the March 2014 knife attack in the Kunming railway station, the April 2014 bomb-and-knife attack in the Ürümqi railway station, and the May 2014 car-and-bomb attack in an Ürümqi street market. Several of the attacks were orchestrated by the Turkistan Islamic Party (formerly the East Turkestan Islamic Movement) which has been designated a terrorist organization by several countries including Russia, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United States, in addition to the United Nations."
No doubt the efficiency that makes China so effective at arresting the spread of covid also makes atrocities like the concentration camps occur which will no doubt affect many many innocent bystanders. It is questionable whether or not this over-reaction will be effective, but despite this we know that China conducts these atrocities with the goal to end the violence once and for all under any means necessary.
The question is, is a successful quelling of all terrorism worth crossing the line?
Keep in mind the United States likely killed and harmed much more innocent bystanders with its' own allergic immune response to 9/11. It just didn't happen on our soil. We've crossed the line in the past as well.
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#38This reminded me of what we used to make fun of North Korea for, except its much much more extreme and it’s not funny at all. Its just monstrous, isn’t it? There should be sanctions
Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps
#39Paul Graham should keep these political topics off the table and ban this foreign powers
What foreign powers are posting bad things about China? And even if they are, does it matter if it's true? I agree hn is a odd place for this story, though.
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#40Is there actually any proof of this account? This reads like propaganda designed to sucker both the left (torture, islamophobia) and right (communism and lack of religious freedom).
Next article will talk about WMDs and blown up buddhist statues (stories which convinced both sides of the media to push for war in iraq and afghanistan).