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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by fsociety »

aleksjess wrote: post #199
crocal wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pay your taxes so that your military can keep an eye on the assholes who do this, and so that UN may offer some form of asylum to their victims. Vote for politicians that oppose this shit publicly. Explain to your kids why this is wrong.

Wow, this is a really poor proposal. Intervening in another's country internal affairs leads to a war. UN is a nice idea, though it doesn't work in reality. To apply for an asylum, you need to leave the country. Low likelyhood of happening. I explain why its wrong to my kids. What then? As sad as it is, we can't do much if anything.

Passing these values to kids is valuable. Right now the US is at a turning point for its democracy and now is an important time to teach the values of human rights and democracy.

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Post by brianhorakh »

ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

Educate yourself. Reddit r/sino is a great place to read the opposition. There are ALWAYs two sides to these stories. Many are fabricated to apply for diplomatic immunity.

Uighers represent a very small minority of the overall Chinese population, but almost all domestic terrorism (when the campaign against their culture started in 2014). Yes, their religious culture is being attacked, yes many (most) are good people, yet as Muslims they self-identify as separate from the han culture. It also is used by "bad" Uighers to do hide crime, not pay taxes, etc. The muslim community has a very us vs them mentality which is not healthy for national unity that china ccp desires. So the Chinese are cracking down. China has a 5000 year old culture and a majority of people experienced significant hardships and starvation in the last century. They emphasize national unity (vs individalism) in a way western people cannot even begin to understand, but belonging to such a group is not entirely bad. This Uigher generation is suffering so the future uigher can fit into the society better.

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Post by kepler1 »

apta wrote: post #117

Please strongly consider boycotting, or at least avoiding Chinese products: https://www.reddit.com/r/avoidchineseproducts/

As long as the majority of the US population doesn't know or doesn't care about the issue, it won't make a whiff of difference. Everyone just keeps buying with their wallets open because it's cheap and available. All the while we distract ourselves with our ridiculous internal politics.

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Post by rocho »

ornitorrincos wrote: post #142
throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #101

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> We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty Breaking up a regime capable of doing monstrous things has been done before q.v. europe 1945 .

You missed the parents points, where he argues that it took half of the world in a military alliance and years of wars to accomplish the goals. Doing that against a nuclear state is impossible, as such military action is out of the picture. That leaves only economic action.

But can that be effective, really? Many times economic sanctions are a joke (see the ones dished out by the UN). If they become too hard, a nuclear state can threaten nuclear action just the same. What then?

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Post by slang800 »

Mindless2112 wrote: post #185
apta wrote: post #117

Please strongly consider boycotting, or at least avoiding Chinese products: https://www.reddit.com/r/avoidchineseproducts/

Country of origin is often not stated on product listings, and it's not clear what it should say for things made partially in multiple countries.

Do some research then. It's not impossible to figure out where things are coming from.

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Post by root_axis »

vaccinator wrote: post #200
root_axis wrote: post #195

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Downvotes are not censorship. Half a decade of smart-ass comments like yours have robbed the word of any meaning.

There is censorship on HN... not only downvotes and flagging... sometimes admins move entire threads wherever they want too... There is also the opposite of censorship (they boost some content)

Forum moderation is not censorship.

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Post by cmonnow »

morelisp wrote: post #187
ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

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Where did India get into the picture here ? The only protests going in India are those which are against government initiatives to help minorities.

Interestingly, you didn't mention Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc. where minorities are actually being killed, raped or converted.

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Post by runarberg »

aleksjess wrote: post #199
crocal wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pay your taxes so that your military can keep an eye on the assholes who do this, and so that UN may offer some form of asylum to their victims. Vote for politicians that oppose this shit publicly. Explain to your kids why this is wrong.

Wow, this is a really poor proposal. Intervening in another's country internal affairs leads to a war. UN is a nice idea, though it doesn't work in reality. To apply for an asylum, you need to leave the country. Low likelyhood of happening. I explain why its wrong to my kids. What then? As sad as it is, we can't do much if anything.

Agree. Sure the UN could do more to both help the victims and condemn the actions. But military intervention seems like a very very very bad idea which might result in far worse travesties. Worse then even these concentration camps. Remember that 2.5% of every human on earth lost their lives because of World War 2.

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Post by wonnage »

avmich wrote: post #154
vms20591 wrote: post #83

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Exactly. The problem is, the West gets a moral high ground and even if they get criticism for their actions, the highest repercussions they encounter is "a slap to the wrist".

West gets moral high ground not because it's blameless - it isn't - but because it's faults are smaller. It could be counterproductive to judge something on a boolean scale - "perfect" vs. "not perfect so perfectly bad". West is much more transparent than non-West, so we have better chance to differentiate good parts from bad parts. If we don't have such opportunity, and we consistently get burned with bad parts, we'…

You can only say this because you've been brainwashed into thinking all the atrocities committed before, say, 1950 don't count anymore. That was a different time! Racism is solved too.

*edit, that should probably be 1975 because we pretend the Vietnam war never happened

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