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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by yeetman21 »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #101
akiselev wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time the human race stopped an industrial scale genocide, half the world had to unite under their own selfish reasons. That's no longer possible thanks to nuclear weapons, so our battle will have to be fought first with introspection and reflection. We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is onc…

> We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty Breaking up a regime capable of doing monstrous things has been done before q.v. europe 1945 .

>That's no longer possible thanks to nuclear weapons

its in the post you replied to, c'mon man

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Post by ornitorrincos »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #101
akiselev wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time the human race stopped an industrial scale genocide, half the world had to unite under their own selfish reasons. That's no longer possible thanks to nuclear weapons, so our battle will have to be fought first with introspection and reflection. We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is onc…

> We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty Breaking up a regime capable of doing monstrous things has been done before q.v. europe 1945 .

You missed the parents points, where he argues that it took half of the world in a military alliance and years of wars to accomplish the goals.

Doing that against a nuclear state is impossible, as such military action is out of the picture. That leaves only economic action.

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Post by Kbelicius »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #101
akiselev wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time the human race stopped an industrial scale genocide, half the world had to unite under their own selfish reasons. That's no longer possible thanks to nuclear weapons, so our battle will have to be fought first with introspection and reflection. We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is onc…

> We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty Breaking up a regime capable of doing monstrous things has been done before q.v. europe 1945 .

Only when those monstrous things spread outside of the borders. Even then it was allowed to spread sometime outside its borders before others reacted.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nicoburns »

nendroid wrote: post #37

This is horrible. No doubt this is an allergic immune response to terrorism. The actions here on a different level than what's going on in Hong Kong, possibly because of this: "In July 2009, riots broke out in Xinjiang in response to a violent dispute between Uyghur and Han Chinese workers in a factory and result in over 100 deaths. Following the riots, Uyghur radicals killed dozens of Chinese citizens in coordinated…

What makes you think such actions are likely to quell terrorism. If anything I would think that this would radicalise the targeted population. The US response to 9/11 was stupid for exactly the same reasons.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by yeetman21 »

iaw wrote: post #20
yeetman21 wrote: post #6

In the article he mentions “Their goal is just to exterminate all Uighurs in one way or another”, if that is the case, why not just shoot them all? Why did they let him out?

> exterminate all Uighurs in one way or another In this context it seems to mean that it's politically easier to "re-educate" the Uighar away than straight out kill the Uighars. If some die during the process China doesn't care but it can't be accused of genocide which would raise more concern globally.

They are already being accused of genocide, and it isnt doing much to them

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Post by Hyolobrika »

coldtea wrote: post #71
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #48

think twice before buying made in china, for this man,s torture is added to your karma.

So like Guantanamo, the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and close to a century of Kissinger and his ilk, is added to one's karma if they buy US products?

As far as I know, enslaved citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan are not directly involved in making US goods.

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Post by Supermancho »

free_rms wrote: post #132
dragonwriter wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's “uniqueness isn't the argument, stop beating that strawman”.

China is uniquely fixated on here on HN, there's a thread every few days painting them as a unique threat.

I would say that's all accurate and correctly characterized. Ofc, it's easy to paint something that's already a finished work.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by free_rms »

birdyrooster wrote: post #114
fuoqi wrote: post #106

While I think it's a gross over-reaction from the Chinese government, I think I understand the fears which fuel such behavior. CPC has learned a lot from the fall of the Soviet Union and they will do anything in their power to prevent a similar outcome for China. One of the lessons was that cultural differences between citizens can be a very effective tool to destabilize a country. So instead of promoting cultural au…

Has this ever been done successfully? It seems like the racial caste system they continue to build will blow back eventually.

The entire western hemisphere? Particularly latin america. They left spanish control but they were spanish and catholic when they did so.

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Post by luckylion »

kerng wrote: post #116
coldtea wrote: post #89

Here's the realpolitik deal, as I understand it. China doesn't really care about terrorism. What they do care for is a separatism movement. Not because they can't afford to give some land to those to make their own country, but because they fear that that country (or the population within China's borders if no country is created) will be used against them from foreign powers as a pressure point against China. Which i…

Wonder what your perspective is around countries which are closer culturally to Uighurs? Like i keep hearing they are from Turkish decent - would Turkey have any interest or stake in this?

Turkey's interest in Uighurs is far smaller than Turkey's interest in its own economy, and China is spending a lot of money to prop Turkey up - they're buying influence. Needless to say that making an enemy of a security council veto power while you're allied with the remnants of ISIS, annexing parts of neighboring countries etc isn't a wise choice.

Erdogan may seem unhinged at times, but he's not, his steps are quite rational from an empire-policy perspective.

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Post by BeetleB »

fishywang wrote: post #126

>Ӧmir was born to Uighur and Kazakh parents in Xinjiang, or formerly East Turkestan before the Chinese invasion of 1949 This is the first time I've seen the claim that "East Turkestan" (as in the "country") actually existed before 1949. I realize that it could totally be that the history I learnt growing up deliberately omitted that part, and/or the definition of "countries" were more in wonton before the end of WW2.…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_East_Turkestan_Republic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_East_Turkestan_Republic

Of course, it's Wikipedia, so you'll have to dig through its references.

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