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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by ratherbefuddled »

confluence_perf wrote: post #255
ratherbefuddled wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be able to experience the slowness for yourself by spending a few minutes using your product. Then try something like notion or pretty much any other web app and notice how your blood pressure drops and your stress levels decrease. It is not a particular area it is the whole thing. Every interaction makes me want to gouge my own eyes out. It's a glorified text area with a menu, why should every click cause…

Hi ratherbefuddled, We definitely recognize we have a lot of work to do on performance in general, and we're definitely trying. "fixing everything" is definitely part of our plans, but we'd also like to "fix whatever users find the most frustrating". If any specific items stand out as the most frustrating please do let us know.

I think you are taking entirely the wrong approach here.

Pressing refresh on the front page causes TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTEEN requests for about 7MB of resources.

The only meaningful content on this page is a list of 20 or so links.

You don't need customer feedback here, you need some basic engineering principles and a tiny bit of pride.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by confluence_perf »

ratherbefuddled wrote: post #271
confluence_perf wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi ratherbefuddled, We definitely recognize we have a lot of work to do on performance in general, and we're definitely trying. "fixing everything" is definitely part of our plans, but we'd also like to "fix whatever users find the most frustrating". If any specific items stand out as the most frustrating please do let us know.

I think you are taking entirely the wrong approach here. Pressing refresh on the front page causes TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTEEN requests for about 7MB of resources. The only meaningful content on this page is a list of 20 or so links. You don't need customer feedback here, you need some basic engineering principles and a tiny bit of pride.

Hi ratherbefuddled,

Thank you for the insight. We are definitely working on generalized efforts to make 'most/all/everything' faster (including speeding up the app overhead), but those types of projects unsurprisingly take a little longer to finish.

On the other hand, specific user feedback might be 'the most annoying thing to me is that pages with Links load slowly, I need the links to load earlier because of X', or 'I need inline comments to load faster than page comments, because of reason Y'

-> this type of feedback could give us something we can fix quickly and alleviate user frustration sooner. Hopefully the intention makes sense.

Of course, in general, we're also always looking for any feedback that can help us improve Confluence!

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by dementik »

hamolton wrote: post #38
justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

I wish there were better self-hosted wikis. Most seem to be from the mid-00s and rock the look. None of them have real-time collaborative editing like Confluence or Quip from my research.

I have used openkb for a while.

Its fast, lightweight and MIT licensed.

https://github.com/mrvautin/openKB

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by hnruss »

InsaneOstrich wrote: post #251
hnruss wrote: post #135

Switched from Jenkins to Bamboo Server about 5 years ago. The integrations with Bitbucket, Jira, and Slack have been really useful. My team has put a lot of time into getting the most out of Bamboo, so it’s disappointing that we won’t be able to continue to build on that. It would be nice if Atlassian open-sourced Bamboo so that we could continue using it long-term, but honestly one of the primary reasons that we’ve…

Do you think that you'll go back to Jenkins? I'm in the same situation that you are

We’ll have to do some research and analysis. When we compare alternatives, product support will be one factor. There might be some commercial Jenkins support offerings out there, which would be interesting. It’s going to be a whole process that will take months to get right.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by osfm8 »

simon04 wrote: post #260

Recently, I've been taking a look at OpenProject https://www.openproject.org/ (GNU General Public License version 3), wich provides a wiki, task management, bug tracker, project management, time tracking. I cannot share any experiences so far, but the project looks very promising. The release notes for the OpenProject 11.0.0 indicate that the project is actively maintained. Can anyone share her/his experiences with O…

I'm doing sysadmin roles using OpenProject 10.n and up, really enjoying it (also sysadmin a bunch of atlassian instances). Does the basic things well, with active development team behind it. Well worth a shakedown test to verify if fit-for-purpose for your needs.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by jeff_redradish »

matthewmuscat wrote: post #170
originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

Our org uses both Jira Server & Confluence Server - and I’m fairly sure this will make us move away from Atlassian’s products The split between cloud and server offerings is partly to blame here My thoughts go out to the businesses that have built plugins for Jira and had to endure the variances between cloud and server, or worse, only catered for the server market. The group at tempo timesheets[1] particularly come…

Yes, there still is no easy way to migrate Tempo data from Server to Cloud. Their advice is "there's an API - good luck" [1].

Gitlab is great for their developer niche, but the relatively weak issue tracker and wiki lets them down for more general use. Still, Gitlab is a great company with momentum and a roadmap. Feel free to join us [2] in looking at such alternatives.

[1] https://tempo-io.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/THC/pages/8969584...

[2] https://www.goodbyeserver.org

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by nikanj »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #5

Wow. This must feel like a huge fuck-you to people that migrated to Atlassian because they could host things locally (I worked at a place that made the leap 3 years ago and it was a somewhat controversial decision. I feel kinda bad for everyone that'll be hearing an "I told you so" on Monday morning). Not only is the product being killed, they're raising the price during the migration period. Their FAQ also hints tha…

It's the Oracle playbook. F*ck customers, make money. Seems to work rather well, actually!

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by vaceletm »

justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

If you look for a full featured approach I would recommend that you look at Tuleap[1] and esp. how it maps with Atlassian suite [2].

[1] https://www.tuleap.org [2] https://blog.tuleap.org/tuleap-versus-jira-software/

(Disclaimer: I'm from the dev team)

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by vaceletm »

momothereal wrote: post #30
justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

GitLab pretty much covers BitBucket (code), most of Bamboo (GitLab CI), maybe Jira if you use it only as a basic issue manager (forget about Agile stuff). Confluence is probably the hardest one. You could use any wiki software but the new "live-editing" stuff (Google Docs style) is pretty good for productivity. Hard to find an on-prem equivalent. Confluence's integration with Jira is hard to compare too.

If you likes gitlab and look for better planning capabilities you can have a look at Tuleap [1].

Tuleap shines with very advanced tracking capabilities and, most important, empower end users to manage it. Unlike Jira, you don't depend on a central admin to tweak you configuration, everything is at hand.

Git & CI capabilities are built-in but if you prefer gitlab for that, you will have soon an integration between the 2 tools. It's part of the next delivery [2] due mid november.

[1] https://www.tuleap.org [2] https://tuleap.net/plugins/agiledashboard/?group_id=101&plan...

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by vaceletm »

TJSomething wrote: post #45

Dang. I actually like how customizable Jira's workflows are. What else is good at customizable Scrum-like workflows with custom fields?

I'm part of the dev team so take this comment with the level of distance you want but you should have a look at Tuleap [1].

You get the customization to yet another level as you are not constraint by the fact that templates are shared across your organization. You can tweak and customize every single tracker (issue type) with it's own fields & values without impacting others and without depending on an admin for that. You can deep dive with https://blog.tuleap.org/tuleap-versus-jira-software/

[1] https://www.tuleap.org/

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