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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by InsaneOstrich »

hnruss wrote: post #135

Switched from Jenkins to Bamboo Server about 5 years ago. The integrations with Bitbucket, Jira, and Slack have been really useful. My team has put a lot of time into getting the most out of Bamboo, so it’s disappointing that we won’t be able to continue to build on that. It would be nice if Atlassian open-sourced Bamboo so that we could continue using it long-term, but honestly one of the primary reasons that we’ve…

Do you think that you'll go back to Jenkins? I'm in the same situation that you are

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by zxspectrum1982 »

xorcist wrote: post #242
user5994461 wrote: post #187

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They're both tools to build forms. How horrible the forms are is really up to your organization. Whether they force you to fill 50 mandatory fields or not.

You would think that, until you try to use ServiceNow.

You know ServiceNow is the de-facto standard in ITSM, don't you?

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Post by longcommonname »

kayfox wrote: post #225
tupputuppu wrote: post #190

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For 95% of companies, outsourcing your servers to the cloud is a drastic security improvement.

Tell that to CapitalOne.

Coming from a company that has capital one as a customer. They are one of the dumbest related to security.

Banks are still in the stone age when it comes to NIST and cyber security.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by oars »

ashtonkem wrote: post #243
Martin_Beck wrote: post #13

This is entirely because they had to fork their product and codebase between cloud and on-prem, and their resulting total failure on execution on their internal product roadmap. Atlasssian has demonstrated a chronic inability over the past few years to maintain feature parity between what are effectively two different products. Atlasssian has had a really, really terrible feature execution delivery pace over the past…

There’s an irony in Atlassian failing to manage their internal roadmap and timelines.

Love this!

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Post by confluence_perf »

ratherbefuddled wrote: post #201
confluence_perf wrote: post #22

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Sorry to hear it's been a frustrating experience. I'm a PM for Confluence Cloud and we're always trying to make it better. Would you be willing to share more specifics, such as: - Pages with content X are the slowest - Trying to do A/B/C is annoyingly slow - etc ?

You should be able to experience the slowness for yourself by spending a few minutes using your product. Then try something like notion or pretty much any other web app and notice how your blood pressure drops and your stress levels decrease. It is not a particular area it is the whole thing. Every interaction makes me want to gouge my own eyes out. It's a glorified text area with a menu, why should every click cause…

Hi ratherbefuddled,

We definitely recognize we have a lot of work to do on performance in general, and we're definitely trying. "fixing everything" is definitely part of our plans, but we'd also like to "fix whatever users find the most frustrating".

If any specific items stand out as the most frustrating please do let us know.

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Post by confluence_perf »

sheeeep86 wrote: post #249
confluence_perf wrote: post #22

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Sorry to hear it's been a frustrating experience. I'm a PM for Confluence Cloud and we're always trying to make it better. Would you be willing to share more specifics, such as: - Pages with content X are the slowest - Trying to do A/B/C is annoyingly slow - etc ?

Where is the data hosted? Somehow it feels like the devs are located close to the data and don't notice the lag. And for me in central Europe, some requests must travel across the world and back.

Hi sheeeep86,

My original post did not mean to give the impression we think Confluence is fast - we do recognize that we have a lot of room for improvement.

The reason we're asking for feedback on specific areas that are annoying is that while we can work on making 'everything' faster, knowing which specific items may be of the most concern may allow us to focus fix those items first.

If you do have any feedback around such specific items we would be happy if you're willing to share it.

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Post by confluence_perf »

vasco wrote: post #200
confluence_perf wrote: post #22

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Sorry to hear it's been a frustrating experience. I'm a PM for Confluence Cloud and we're always trying to make it better. Would you be willing to share more specifics, such as: - Pages with content X are the slowest - Trying to do A/B/C is annoyingly slow - etc ?

Surely you have metrics?

Hi vasco,

We have a lot of metrics, and we recognize that Confluence is not as fast or as good an experience as it should be.

However nothing beats user feedback - hearing specific feedback from users may provide us with specific areas that we can focus our work, on top of the work we're already doing.

If you have any feedback like that, we're hopeful you're willing to share it with us.

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Post by athms »

garenp wrote: post #60
Jedd wrote: post #7

We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

Atlassian does not provide particularly good guidance on how to get their tools to perform well. The first big issue for any moderately busy system is that you need to dedicate huge gobs of heap memory (think 16G+) to the tool. After that, they suffer from poor schema design - there are tables that are literally missing indexes on commonly queried columns, and some columns that have delimited values embedded in them.…

> It's hard for me to see how "Java" and "cloud" go together.

Why? From its release, Java has been used for SaaS. SAP runs its cloud services using Java and this includes subsidiaries Ariba, Concur, and SuccessFactors.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by vasco »

confluence_perf wrote: post #257
vasco wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely you have metrics?

Hi vasco, We have a lot of metrics, and we recognize that Confluence is not as fast or as good an experience as it should be. However nothing beats user feedback - hearing specific feedback from users may provide us with specific areas that we can focus our work, on top of the work we're already doing. If you have any feedback like that, we're hopeful you're willing to share it with us.

I agree with you on user feedback being valuable, but not to figure out what's slow. You should be getting that information accurately through metrics and know what to prioritise without having to speak to anyone. Reserve questions you can't get answers for otherwise for user interviews.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by simon04 »

Recently, I've been taking a look at OpenProject https://www.openproject.org/ (GNU General Public License version 3), wich provides a wiki, task management, bug tracker, project management, time tracking. I cannot share any experiences so far, but the project looks very promising. The release notes for the OpenProject 11.0.0 indicate that the project is actively maintained. Can anyone share her/his experiences with OpenProject?
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