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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by oaiey »

sytse wrote: post #114
momothereal wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitLab pretty much covers BitBucket (code), most of Bamboo (GitLab CI), maybe Jira if you use it only as a basic issue manager (forget about Agile stuff). Confluence is probably the hardest one. You could use any wiki software but the new "live-editing" stuff (Google Docs style) is pretty good for productivity. Hard to find an on-prem equivalent. Confluence's integration with Jira is hard to compare too.

What agile stuff are you missing from the paid versions of GitLab? We have epics, roadmaps, milestones, and iterations. The only thing that is missing I can think of is workflow enforcement, but that doesn’t strike me as Agile.

Last time I checked I could not modify the fields of an issue (e.g. introduce a random drop-down or a checkbox). Here Jira and TFS were always excellent.

I always go the impression that GitLab was doing excellent in code related workloads but sub-par in issue and test record tracking.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by TavsiE9s »

x87678r wrote: post #8

Anyone got a good opensource Jira alternative I can install locally? Most alternatives are cloud as well.

Depending on your requirements YouTrack by Jetbrains might fit the bill. Not opensource but available for local installation.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by names_are_hard »

Qerub wrote: post #70
originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

> If I was a Microsoft or another enterprise tech company I’d hire a thousand engineers tomorrow to develop a Jira/Confluence competitor before the grace period for server licenses ends. Microsoft already has GitHub that works fine as a Jira/Confluence substitute for technical people. Maybe this will be their call to make it more accessable.

Microsoft also has Azure Devops, which essentially competes with Jira + Teamcity in one. Confluence is covered by either Azure Devops wikis or SharePoint.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by emmelaich »

Not surprised. There was a time when they supported various java servers .. jetty, jboss, tomcat, others. That ended due to way too much support requirements.

This is a step in the same direction.

I wonder what institutions with a security restriction will do though.

Market opportunity for some rival?

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by koonsolo »

dragonwriter wrote: post #16
originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

> If I was a Microsoft or another enterprise tech company I’d hire a thousand engineers tomorrow to develop a Jira/Confluence competitor before the grace period for server licenses ends. Azure DevOps Server, née Visual Studio Team System, already exists.

One of my customers uses Azure DevOps Server, self hosted. And it's missing a lot of features that the cloud version offers.

I think this is on purpose to push people to the clould offering.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by elliotpage »

I would guess that this move is because because their software runs like a bag of hammers falling down a flight of stairs and the last thing they want to deal with are your support calls about why their products dont work right. Don't get me wrong, they can work smoothly- just it takes an order of magnitude more work than you would expect / they would admit.

To be slightly more charitable, this is a sensible move as at least this way Atlassian can control the end user experience and (perhaps!) have it not be utter trash. Far easier for them to manage this way.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by emmelaich »

Spivak wrote: post #15

Ouch, on-prem software is a really tough business. I can kinda see why companies want out. Especially as they get bigger. Two of my former employers had to go through this hurdle of moving to SaaS from a an on-prem installation. * It's really hard to scale support. You end up being on the hook for why "it's not working" in thousands of different of environments you have zero control over. Anyone qualified to do that…

Agreed. Our Atlassian apps were out of sync with each other so couldn't integrate well. Somehow I couldn't convince people that we need to upgrade.

Even though most of things the users complained about would have been fixed with upgrades.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by barryvan »

This is very unfortunate, because in my experience the cloud offerings for JIRA and Confluence are orders of magnitude slower and more resource intensive, and BitBucket Cloud is very feature poor and workflow-compromised in comparison to its server counterpart.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by leptons »

b0tzzzzzzman wrote: post #155
pjmlp wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite easy, I have am been around for 30+ years in IT and have yet to find something that beats Jira in all its integration options, possibilities of formating tickets information, and flexibility to definie project specific workflows. Given the option, I will always push for Jira, and associated Atlassian products.

This really does not say any thing outside you have 30 years+ in IT. What did Jira fix? I find what you said fully false given the context of the statements. Why has this had adds playing every time I turn my radio on for the last 2 years as well..?

What do you think is better than Jira, and why?

I'm not the previous commenter, but I also have a similar 30+ years experience, and I've used quite a lot of project management software. I've seen Jira used poorly, and used quite efficiently for managing projects. My current job uses Jira and nobody in the company has ever expressed anything negative about Jira, and it's become quite nice to use. But again, I have seen some companies absolutely fail at Jira. YMMV.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by matthewmuscat »

originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

Our org uses both Jira Server & Confluence Server - and I’m fairly sure this will make us move away from Atlassian’s products

The split between cloud and server offerings is partly to blame here

My thoughts go out to the businesses that have built plugins for Jira and had to endure the variances between cloud and server, or worse, only catered for the server market.

The group at tempo timesheets[1] particularly come to mind here

Thinking ahead - I’m hoping that an org like GitLab (who have got their Saas v On-Prem offerings balance right) is able to keep building on and catering for this space.

Their planning features are not there yet, but there’s a great group of people with oodles of traction and a roadmap that aligns with this problem space[2].

[1] www.tempo.up [2] https://about.gitlab.com/direction/maturity/#plan

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