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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by originalvichy »

justin_oaks wrote: post #24

I maintain server versions most of the self-hosted applications they're killing off. One thing I like about the server versions is the ability to spin up development versions of these applications so I can test out new plugins, version updates, or complicated configuration changes without affecting our production applications. So much for that. I guess I can skip that step and when it goes wrong in production I can b…

Same here. Every org I work with has a dev environment we regularly refresh with production data. It’s great.

If only they made the DC cheaper I wouldn’t be so disappointed.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by manicdee »

Data sovereignty means my 5,000 seat company will stop using it. Confluence and Jira were already a hard sell due to licence fees. Now Atlassian wants us to put our trade secrets on AWS or something? Not happening.

At least they if we mess up security on a host inside our business it’s not the end of the world.

edit: I don’t make the money decisions here, I am just a peon.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by mongol »

pjmlp wrote: post #128
AlphaSite wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.

Quite easy, I have am been around for 30+ years in IT and have yet to find something that beats Jira in all its integration options, possibilities of formating tickets information, and flexibility to definie project specific workflows. Given the option, I will always push for Jira, and associated Atlassian products.

Indeed. Compare Jira with ServiceNow and it is like night and day. They serve different purposes, but Jira is friendly and SN almost hostile.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by i386 »

manicdee wrote: post #152

Data sovereignty means my 5,000 seat company will stop using it. Confluence and Jira were already a hard sell due to licence fees. Now Atlassian wants us to put our trade secrets on AWS or something? Not happening. At least they if we mess up security on a host inside our business it’s not the end of the world. edit: I don’t make the money decisions here, I am just a peon.

They are still selling their datacenter version.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by b0tzzzzzzman »

pjmlp wrote: post #128
AlphaSite wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.

Quite easy, I have am been around for 30+ years in IT and have yet to find something that beats Jira in all its integration options, possibilities of formating tickets information, and flexibility to definie project specific workflows. Given the option, I will always push for Jira, and associated Atlassian products.

This really does not say any thing outside you have 30 years+ in IT. What did Jira fix? I find what you said fully false given the context of the statements.

Why has this had adds playing every time I turn my radio on for the last 2 years as well..?

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by threeseed »

garenp wrote: post #60
Jedd wrote: post #7

We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

Atlassian does not provide particularly good guidance on how to get their tools to perform well. The first big issue for any moderately busy system is that you need to dedicate huge gobs of heap memory (think 16G+) to the tool. After that, they suffer from poor schema design - there are tables that are literally missing indexes on commonly queried columns, and some columns that have delimited values embedded in them.…

> It's hard for me to see how "Java" and "cloud" go together

AirBnb, LinkedIn, Netflix, Twitter, Foursquare, Sony, Shopify etc.

Most of the top tier websites use something on the JVM e.g. Java, Scala.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by _y5hn »

Fumtumi wrote: post #139

Jira is really a weird product; I'm using it for ages now and i have not seen any real features being added in the last 10 years and fundamental issues have not been adressed. The weirdest thing was their UI change a few years back where they thought it would be great to make core workflows 1 or 2 clicks further away than before. Like 'creating a ticket; went behind this plus button thing. Plenty of features i would…

Just the natural progression from UI to UX (clueless) design. The latter works to dumb down mobile interfaces, but wreak havoc in any complex interface.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by oaiey »

burstmode wrote: post #137
AlphaSite wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.

Polarion clears it's throat...

Thanks. So true. How a UI can damage a product is never as obvious as with ticket management systems.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by dasloop »

wichert wrote: post #136
sytse wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What agile stuff are you missing from the paid versions of GitLab? We have epics, roadmaps, milestones, and iterations. The only thing that is missing I can think of is workflow enforcement, but that doesn’t strike me as Agile.

I would be missing the ability to setup customer access, but only give them limited access to tickets and ticket comments.

Or the ability to have different user types paying differently every month.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by _y5hn »

chillfox wrote: post #85
Spivak wrote: post #15

Ouch, on-prem software is a really tough business. I can kinda see why companies want out. Especially as they get bigger. Two of my former employers had to go through this hurdle of moving to SaaS from a an on-prem installation. * It's really hard to scale support. You end up being on the hook for why "it's not working" in thousands of different of environments you have zero control over. Anyone qualified to do that…

"please update" is kinda the "try restarting" equivalent for sysadmins. And people get angry because it is usually delivered in a "I have no idea if it will work" kinda way. All you would have to do to make people calmly accept that they need to update is explaining why, so you know do the minimum and search the issue tracker so you can tell them that this is actually a known problem that was fixed in version x.y.z a…

If something's broken, upgrading is the Last thing I'm willing to try.
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