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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by schoolornot »

momothereal wrote: post #30
justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

GitLab pretty much covers BitBucket (code), most of Bamboo (GitLab CI), maybe Jira if you use it only as a basic issue manager (forget about Agile stuff). Confluence is probably the hardest one. You could use any wiki software but the new "live-editing" stuff (Google Docs style) is pretty good for productivity. Hard to find an on-prem equivalent. Confluence's integration with Jira is hard to compare too.

I really wish MedisWiki was in a state that it could be rolled out as a replacement for Confluence. And in a lot of ways it can be. But sadly a lot of companies go the other way.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by zaphirplane »

Spivak wrote: post #15

Ouch, on-prem software is a really tough business. I can kinda see why companies want out. Especially as they get bigger. Two of my former employers had to go through this hurdle of moving to SaaS from a an on-prem installation. * It's really hard to scale support. You end up being on the hook for why "it's not working" in thousands of different of environments you have zero control over. Anyone qualified to do that…

> Telling your users "sorry you're using an ancient version, please update" just makes people angry

I think telling people we support version x - y and facing a problem say try upgrading makes people angry

Telling people we support version a - b and sorting out their issue is fine even when a-b is smaller than x-y

I know support have it difficult because no one can be across all the bugs, regression and fixes, for multiple versions/configurations

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by dqh »

We use Bitbucket server because we prefer the code review UI and the diff views over everything else. I was shocked when I tried the cloud version and saw how different and how much worse it was. Would otherwise actually prefer to move to cloud but not with that UI, will re-eval competitors instead.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by tootie »

dragonwriter wrote: post #16
originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

> If I was a Microsoft or another enterprise tech company I’d hire a thousand engineers tomorrow to develop a Jira/Confluence competitor before the grace period for server licenses ends. Azure DevOps Server, née Visual Studio Team System, already exists.

TFS is the self-hosted predecessor to Azure DevOps and it absolutely sucks compared to JIRA.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by jasonv »

x87678r wrote: post #8

Anyone got a good opensource Jira alternative I can install locally? Most alternatives are cloud as well.

Anyone still use Trac? [https://trac.edgewall.org]

We were using it up until a while ago (edit: oh, did the math, 7 years ago)... could still totally get by with it.

I keep my free Jira/Cloud account going, but when I look elsewhere, I don't really love the options either (Clubhouse, looking at you).

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by AlphaSite »

tootie wrote: post #44
dragonwriter wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I was a Microsoft or another enterprise tech company I’d hire a thousand engineers tomorrow to develop a Jira/Confluence competitor before the grace period for server licenses ends. Azure DevOps Server, née Visual Studio Team System, already exists.

TFS is the self-hosted predecessor to Azure DevOps and it absolutely sucks compared to JIRA.

How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by wokwokwok »

throwaways885 wrote: post #26
pc86 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps. This is just... wow. Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle. They're already paying licensing fees to Microsoft, there are incentives and discounts to stay within the ecosystem. My current employer has GitHub Enterprise and we still use DevOps for a lo…

I think GP is more referring to the fact that GitHub Actions et al are a better reimplementation of Azure DevOps. I suspect Azure DevOps will be deprecated in favour of GitHub.

This shouldn’t be downvoted, I’m certain it’s true.

If you talk to a Microsoft rep, they “recommend github enterprise for new projects”.

Microsoft obviously cares about backwards compatibility, and there is no way to currently migrate your stuff.

So... it’s not going to happen tomorrow, but it is going to happen.

...and no, it doesn’t have the nice clickops UI from devops: but that’s legacy now in favour of the multistage yaml pipelines.

You can close your eyes and cross your fingers and say Azure Devops will Be around forever... but, you’d be wrong.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by tedivm »

Jedd wrote: post #7

We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

The performance on the cloud version is awful. When I previously self hosted it was a miserable management experience, but it definitely felt snappier than the current cloud version does.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by dragonwriter »

pc86 wrote: post #21
dstaley wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was going to switch anyway, I wouldn't switch to Azure DevOps Server, I'd switch to GitHub Enterprise. I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps.

> I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps. This is just... wow. Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle. They're already paying licensing fees to Microsoft, there are incentives and discounts to stay within the ecosystem. My current employer has GitHub Enterprise and we still use DevOps for a lo…

> Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle

(1) Github Enterprise, the alternative suggested, is a Microsoft product (Github is Microsoft), not GCP or AWS. Given the way Microsoft seems to be investing and promoting products, seeing Github Enterprise as having more legs than Azure DevOps is completely reasonable. (And I'm the one who introduced Azure DevOps into the discussion.)

(2) I work for what has historically been an enterprise Microsoft shop; our cloud transition, except for some use of Github and Azure AD, been primarily AWS-based.

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