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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by matthewmuscat »

originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

Our org uses both Jira Server & Confluence Server - and I’m fairly sure this will make us move away from Atlassian’s products.

The split between cloud and server offerings is partly to blame here.

My thoughts go out to the businesses that have built plugins for Jira and had to endure the variances between cloud and server, or worse, only catered for the server market.

The group at tempo timesheets[1] particularly come to mind here.

Thinking ahead - I’m hoping that an org like GitLab (who have got their Saas v On-Prem offerings balance right) is able to keep building on and catering for this space.

Their planning features are not there yet, but there’s a great group of people with oodles of traction and a roadmap that aligns with this problem space[2].

[1] https://www.tempo.io

[2] https://about.gitlab.com/direction/maturity/#plan

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by pjmlp »

b0tzzzzzzman wrote: post #155
pjmlp wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite easy, I have am been around for 30+ years in IT and have yet to find something that beats Jira in all its integration options, possibilities of formating tickets information, and flexibility to definie project specific workflows. Given the option, I will always push for Jira, and associated Atlassian products.

This really does not say any thing outside you have 30 years+ in IT. What did Jira fix? I find what you said fully false given the context of the statements. Why has this had adds playing every time I turn my radio on for the last 2 years as well..?

It means I have seen a lot in what concerns bug tracking and planning systems, from home grown cgi scripts with a basic form submit to enterprise deployment platforms like DOORS and ClearQuest, with dedicated IT support teams to just keep them running, and anything else that you can think of in between.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by waste_monk »

i386 wrote: post #154
manicdee wrote: post #152

Data sovereignty means my 5,000 seat company will stop using it. Confluence and Jira were already a hard sell due to licence fees. Now Atlassian wants us to put our trade secrets on AWS or something? Not happening. At least they if we mess up security on a host inside our business it’s not the end of the world. edit: I don’t make the money decisions here, I am just a peon.

They are still selling their datacenter version.

The minimum seating for datacenter products is 500 users, with corresponding purchase and maintenance costs. It's simply not viable for small businesses who are unable to move to the cloud.

For example, if my employer (for whom the use of cloud hosted service is simply not possible) wanted to keep using Atlassian products, moving to datacenter would cost us many thousands of dollars more per year in maintenance while wasting literally hundreds of unnecessary seats we'd be forced to pay for.

This announcement has ruined my day. Not only will we have to abandon a number of projects to implement new Atlassian products, we'll have to start planning to migrate all of our existing instances to other products and re-build all the work flow and customisations in those. At least they've given a few years window for changeover, but this is going to generate a lot of work and our confluence power-users are going to be very upset at having to move to Sharepoint or some other horror.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by pmlnr »

Everyone keeps only mentioning gitlab, whereas gitea[^1] has wiki, bug tracking, and git as well. No CI if I understand it correctly, but for the rest, it's there, and it's nice, and it's order of magnitudes faster and lighter.

Then there's fossil[^2], which is brilliant, and is completely self-contained, with version controlling, wiki, etc. It's a bit awkward, but nonetheless feature full.

[^1]: https://gitea.io/

[^2]: https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by pmlnr »

MrMorden wrote: post #119
hamolton wrote: post #31

RIP defense community using Jira

Classified clouds are a thing. (Also national clouds for unclassified but export-controlled information.) https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/global-infrastructure/gove...

> Classified clouds

That honestly sounds like an oxymoron.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by six2seven »

kenrick95 wrote: post #95
justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

Phabricator is pretty good and is open source https://phacility.com/phabricator/ Some big organizations are using it (like Facebook, Wikimedia Foundation, Mozilla)

Also wanted to write about Phabricator / Phacility as it looks really neat.

Does anyone have a first hand experience working with it comparing to standard Atlassian stack?

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by chousuke »

I'm somewhat worried about what this means for our organisation. We use both Jira and Confluence, and while they have their issues, we've got many integrations that make life significantly better that will be work-intensive to convert to their cloud offering, if it's even possible.

Our biggest complaint about Atlassian has always been the constantly rising price while value does not follow, and this might finally make them too expensive that we would be better served by alternatives, especially considering all the re-integration we would have to do in any case.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by ozim »

originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

Microsoft is doing the same with Azure DevOps and big orgs with sensitive data are moving there as well. I don't think you can even have Azure DevOps on premise.

So Atlassian is doing it because they know there is no competitor that would jump in. Because everyone else also goes that direction.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by tupputuppu »

papaf wrote: post #126
originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. Me too. How awesome is that! Its absolutely fantastic news. Edit: This is great for those of us that have to suffer Atlassian products that we didn't choose. It is also good news for companies such as Gitlab that do offer self-hosted solutions.

And what on-premise substitute do you think will be superior? Asking seriously.
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