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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:17 AM UTC

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by tamasnet » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:18 AM UTC

JetBrains YouTrack+TeamCity+Upsource might be an option for some folks. Hope they make a statement committing to their on-prem versions.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by joejerryronnie » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:19 AM UTC

TJSomething wrote: post #45

Dang. I actually like how customizable Jira's workflows are. What else is good at customizable Scrum-like workflows with custom fields?

Check out TargetProcess

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by grumple » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:20 AM UTC

quest88 wrote: post #23

What are their biggest products?

Jira is amongst the most popular workflow / ticketing systems. Probably number one. Bitbucket is top 3 git hosts. Confluence is one of the best wiki/knowledge base products. They also have some other products I’m less familiar with... but they are pretty big.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by chillfox » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:26 AM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #15

Ouch, on-prem software is a really tough business. I can kinda see why companies want out. Especially as they get bigger. Two of my former employers had to go through this hurdle of moving to SaaS from a an on-prem installation. * It's really hard to scale support. You end up being on the hook for why "it's not working" in thousands of different of environments you have zero control over. Anyone qualified to do that…

"please update" is kinda the "try restarting" equivalent for sysadmins. And people get angry because it is usually delivered in a "I have no idea if it will work" kinda way. All you would have to do to make people calmly accept that they need to update is explaining why, so you know do the minimum and search the issue tracker so you can tell them that this is actually a known problem that was fixed in version x.y.z and updating will fix the problem.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by hanoz » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:36 AM UTC

tootie wrote: post #44

dragonwriter wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I was a Microsoft or another enterprise tech company I’d hire a thousand engineers tomorrow to develop a Jira/Confluence competitor before the grace period for server licenses ends. Azure DevOps Server, née Visual Studio Team System, already exists.

TFS is the self-hosted predecessor to Azure DevOps and it absolutely sucks compared to JIRA.

>"absolutely sucks compared to JIRA"

Congratulations, according to Google you are the first person on the internet ever to use that phrase. Indeed only the second ever to string the last four of those words together.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by imglorp » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:42 AM UTC

AlphaSite wrote: post #47

tootie wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TFS is the self-hosted predecessor to Azure DevOps and it absolutely sucks compared to JIRA.

How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.

ClearQuest wants a word.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by cordite » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:45 AM UTC

JetBrains has some neat alternative products. I host YouTrack locally and it’s been helpful

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by fredthomsen » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:52 AM UTC

momothereal wrote: post #30

justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

GitLab pretty much covers BitBucket (code), most of Bamboo (GitLab CI), maybe Jira if you use it only as a basic issue manager (forget about Agile stuff). Confluence is probably the hardest one. You could use any wiki software but the new "live-editing" stuff (Google Docs style) is pretty good for productivity. Hard to find an on-prem equivalent. Confluence's integration with Jira is hard to compare too.

Most of the places I know of or where friend's work use Atlassian. I am wondering if this will drive a shift towards GitLab considering the general consensus I've heard is that GitHub Enterprise is too expensive.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by mdoar » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 1:53 AM UTC

rst wrote: post #65

sJ646U9k6c6gME9 wrote: post #55

Thank goodness! The unicorn I work for will finally ditch JIRA and move on to something more user-friendly. What a relief.

If it's an SV Unicorn, it can probably afford the "Data Center" enterprise offering. Though from comments here, even that may not be a smooth migration from the a la carte on prem products, depending on what add-ons they use...

Data center and server are the same bits using a different license. Moving from server to a one node data center Jira is not hard