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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by pc86 »

dstaley wrote: post #19
dragonwriter wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I was a Microsoft or another enterprise tech company I’d hire a thousand engineers tomorrow to develop a Jira/Confluence competitor before the grace period for server licenses ends. Azure DevOps Server, née Visual Studio Team System, already exists.

If I was going to switch anyway, I wouldn't switch to Azure DevOps Server, I'd switch to GitHub Enterprise. I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps.

> I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps.

This is just... wow.

Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle. They're already paying licensing fees to Microsoft, there are incentives and discounts to stay within the ecosystem. My current employer has GitHub Enterprise and we still use DevOps for a lot of stuff, especially anything that business stakeholders have to touch.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by confluence_perf »

originalvichy wrote: post #14
Jedd wrote: post #7

We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

I don’t share the same experiences with slowness (maybe we do something right on the instances we manage). I do however experience slowness in cloud. I assume they increase cloud resources in some kinds of steps that make them appear extremely sluggish.

Sorry to hear it's been a frustrating experience. I'm a PM for Confluence Cloud and we're always trying to make it better. Would you be willing to share more specifics, such as: - Pages with content X are the slowest - Trying to do A/B/C is annoyingly slow - etc ?

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by justin_oaks »

I maintain server versions most of the self-hosted applications they're killing off.

One thing I like about the server versions is the ability to spin up development versions of these applications so I can test out new plugins, version updates, or complicated configuration changes without affecting our production applications.

So much for that. I guess I can skip that step and when it goes wrong in production I can be the old man who yells at "the cloud".

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by harrisonjackson »

justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

Self-hosted gitlab could probably get you some variation of all of these.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by throwaways885 »

pc86 wrote: post #21
dstaley wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was going to switch anyway, I wouldn't switch to Azure DevOps Server, I'd switch to GitHub Enterprise. I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps.

> I don't think there's much of a future for Azure DevOps. This is just... wow. Every Microsoft shop I've ever worked at defaults to Azure. You need a really good reason to use GCP or AWS for anything, and it's an uphill battle. They're already paying licensing fees to Microsoft, there are incentives and discounts to stay within the ecosystem. My current employer has GitHub Enterprise and we still use DevOps for a lo…

I think GP is more referring to the fact that GitHub Actions et al are a better reimplementation of Azure DevOps. I suspect Azure DevOps will be deprecated in favour of GitHub.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by pc86 »

Jedd wrote: post #7

We're using Jira, Confluence, and BitBucket on-prem at our DC now, on some pretty sizeable VM's with good network connectivity back to head office. Despite that, it feels very slow. Not the occasional 10+ second page load, where you've accidentally clicked something that happens to generate a cascade of cache misses. I can forgive that kind of infrequent performance hiccup. But rather, regular usage, especially of Co…

While we had very similar experiences - only used JIRA but the performance was borderline-unusable - I've heard reputable sources say that configuration plays a tremendous role in that. I'm inclined to believe we just hadn't configured it "correctly," but the fact that you can destroy performance by casual misconfiguration is itself a pretty big issue.

I've heard the same about cloud performance, which seems to be an argument against it being simply configuration, but who really knows?

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by Waterluvian »

I’ve abandoned Jira (cloud) at work so long as my manager continues to not care. It’s just painful. Brutally painful. Like 20MB download per use and everything takes forever to populate and there’s lag in everything I do.

Atlassian feels like a bunch of individually purchased products that they then just jam together with integrations that never quite work the way they should.

I wish my company would abandon it.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by momothereal »

justin_oaks wrote: post #17

Are there good self-hosted alternatives for those of use who'd like to get off of Atlassian products? For Bamboo, I immediately think of Jenkins, although it's showing its age now. For Confluence, I think of Media Wiki. For BitBucket, I think of self-hosted GitLab. Not sure about Jira or Service Desk, though. I'd appreciate any better suggestions.

GitLab pretty much covers BitBucket (code), most of Bamboo (GitLab CI), maybe Jira if you use it only as a basic issue manager (forget about Agile stuff).

Confluence is probably the hardest one. You could use any wiki software but the new "live-editing" stuff (Google Docs style) is pretty good for productivity. Hard to find an on-prem equivalent. Confluence's integration with Jira is hard to compare too.

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