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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by Xpletivedeleted »

nrmitchi wrote: post #134
compsciphd wrote: post #116

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does it have a back seat?

First, some models do. I don't know about that particular one, because (shockingly) I don't own a Ferrari. But second, that doesn't matter. Most places do not have laws that prohibit children in the front seat of cars, only that they use appropriate child seats. Further, child seats are typically required for _children_, not just infants. IIRC, for example, in Texas, child seats are required for any child under the a…

The Ferrari in question is a Portofino, which does have back seats, cramped though they are.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by Dylan16807 »

nomel wrote: post #258
Dylan16807 wrote: post #237

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Which part is false? The remote control wasn't used here but it normally works and they tried to use it. So it does show that these cars could be hacked remotely.

This part: > The bricking shows that all these “smart” cars with remote software control are liable to hacking No remote control or wireless communication was used here, so this can't provide evidence that it is liable to hacking.

The bricking shows how deeply integrated the remote control system is, and that it can brick the car.

And since it's remote control, it can be hacked (or Ferrari themselves can be hacked).

Therefore we can conclude that the bricking shows how badly the car can be affected by remote hacking.

It doesn't matter that wireless remote communication didn't happen here. The wireless remote control system was demonstrated. And the comment is making claims about the wireless remote control system. The only way the difference would matter is if you think they're lying about the ability to send signals to the system.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by WalterBright »

snazz wrote: post #211
jethro_tell wrote: post #180

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Absolutely not the case. A 5 point harness is best. A car seat converts two or three point harness to a 5 point. Which is great, because those soft little bodies need as many touch points as is possible to spread the load of force. We know for a fact that the 5 point harness is the best, that is why race car drivers use 5 point harnesses instead of lap belts. The three point harness is a good compromise between the u…

I think the other reason that street cars don't use five-point harnesses (and why using them is illegal in most states) is that they immobilize your shoulders and neck too well, which makes rollovers more dangerous without a roll cage. You can't lean forward when the roof collapses, so you can be paralyzed.

And you're not driving 200 mph.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by natch »

birdyrooster wrote: post #99
jobu wrote: post #87

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> The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. It was even more basic than that. They were installing a child's carseat for the owner, and I believe it was an anti-theft system that was triggered. The story reminded me a lot of the rental car that bricked itself because it lost cellular service - https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/02/drive…

Who puts a child’s carseat in a Ferrari?

You aren’t required to always drive fast in a fast/quick car.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by tgb »

snazz wrote: post #221
mcguire wrote: post #218

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And it's hard to look towards the rear quarters.

Ah, that's another good point. Turning your head happens a lot more in street driving than racing.

Dumb question: how do race cars and their drivers handle "blind spots"?

Edit to answer my own question: apparently they use spotters that radio in to them whether or not it's clear, and (at least in NASCAR) the cars don't have side mirrors but have an extra long rear view mirror.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by gambiting »

sokoloff wrote: post #222
VBprogrammer wrote: post #81

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Just tow your car outside sounds like a recipe for losing half a day trying to organise that. Additionally, even average cars these days tend to have removable towing eyes with easily damaged plastic blanking plugs. The chance of damaging an expensive car doing this seems very high. Especially trying to drag it out of an underground car park. If I owned a towing company I'd take a hard pass on that job.

Exotics are towed all the time. Many exotic rental companies prefer to tow the car for every delivery and pickup. Many owners tow their cars to shows and rallies. (This all seems stupid to me, but I don't own an exotic, so maybe they know something I don't.)

You're talking about towing on a trailer, which is indeed pretty common. Towing by the eyelet is not.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by rlpb »

LeonM wrote: post #121
rlpb wrote: post #94

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> The solution here was probably simple: bring the car outside, and let Ferrari do it's thing. Or trailer it to a certified dealership to have it reset there. This sounds like it invokes the "right to repair" issue though. Is this "Right to repair, but only if the car's online"?

> "Right to repair, but only if the car's online" You have the right to repair. But you do need the correct tools to do it. If you don't have those tools, Ferrari may help you remotely, but you'll need connectivity for that obviously.

It looks to me like it's not possible to acquire or make the correct tool, and only Ferrari dealers have it, because it's been restricted by Ferrari. But that's not clear from the information given.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by sokoloff »

gambiting wrote: post #267
sokoloff wrote: post #222

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Exotics are towed all the time. Many exotic rental companies prefer to tow the car for every delivery and pickup. Many owners tow their cars to shows and rallies. (This all seems stupid to me, but I don't own an exotic, so maybe they know something I don't.)

You're talking about towing on a trailer, which is indeed pretty common. Towing by the eyelet is not.

That's how they're winched onto the flatbed though anytime they're broken. The manufacturer provides that eyelet to prevent damage to suspension parts from using straps on a "bad" spot.
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