Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

Post by LeonM » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 4:35 PM UTC

rlpb wrote: post #94

LeonM wrote: post #70

A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

> The solution here was probably simple: bring the car outside, and let Ferrari do it's thing. Or trailer it to a certified dealership to have it reset there. This sounds like it invokes the "right to repair" issue though. Is this "Right to repair, but only if the car's online"?

Post by AnthonyMouse » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

pmontra wrote: post #96

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal. No big deal when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're in a parking garage. Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

Failure modes and effect analysis [1] or let me do a computer security analogy: threat model. A desert should be considered for a Toyota Landcruiser, for a Ferrari it would be a low probability cell of the matrix. Stuck in a tunnel underground? More likely to happen. In a concrete building with people tampering the car? Even more likely. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_mode_and_effects_analy...

Post by josephorjoe » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 4:39 PM UTC

spaceisballer wrote: post #78

PJDK wrote: post #12

Reading through it seems like people are misinterpreting this. By my reading the car has an anti-theft device that was triggered by the installation of seats. There is a remote system to override the anti-theft device, but that doesn't work because it requires mobile reception. It's kind of funny, but this doesn't really tell you anything about the dangers of "smart cars" or anything.

It is kind of funny that people never thought of that. For the 2020 Census there was a big push to have our interviewing app always connected. Thankfully we did a lot of pushing back, people who live in metro areas have no idea how bad cell coverage can be. And when we have to count the entire US you can’t always be connected. Just seems to me like they made that bad assumption.

Post by LargeWu » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 4:39 PM UTC

spaceisballer wrote: post #78

PJDK wrote: post #12

Reading through it seems like people are misinterpreting this. By my reading the car has an anti-theft device that was triggered by the installation of seats. There is a remote system to override the anti-theft device, but that doesn't work because it requires mobile reception. It's kind of funny, but this doesn't really tell you anything about the dangers of "smart cars" or anything.

It is kind of funny that people never thought of that. For the 2020 Census there was a big push to have our interviewing app always connected. Thankfully we did a lot of pushing back, people who live in metro areas have no idea how bad cell coverage can be. And when we have to count the entire US you can’t always be connected. Just seems to me like they made that bad assumption.

Post by 7952 » Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 4:40 PM UTC

smitty1e wrote: post #22

aloukissas wrote: post #3

Analog cars uber alles :)

Serious question: I think there is a market for a dirt-simple, stripped down car like the original Jeep. If capitalism is so swift, why is the product I want to buy not on offer? Answer: the market is captured, and controlled via government regulation, by corporations that do not see individual owners wrenching on their cars as advantageous. Follow-up: how do we restore capitalism to our (nominally) free market?