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A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by chance_state »

navels wrote: post #36
jnurmine wrote: post #29

I'm happy with Spotify and tried to figure out what this story was about. I saw "SongShift Pro starting at 4.99 USD/month". Do people go for a monthly pricing for this kind of service? I mean transferring playlists from an old service to a new service sounds like a one-off thing. Does someone really need it continuously?

Until Spotify releases a proper Apple Watch app, yes. I really need to get myself off Spotify, but I have too much automation in place.

What kind of Spotify automations do you have?

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by yoavm »

tpmx wrote: post #62
jtbayly wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm pretty sure it has helped a lot already. The key part is the "the don't keep data around forever just because you can" part. Sure, the GDPR got a bit bloated, but I honestly believe most europeans lives got a little bit better because of it. Edit: I think you're thinking about that horrible cookie warning law. That one needs to burned to the ground.

It's not even just European lives that got better because of GDPR, we're all benefiting from having big companies forced to comply with it. I have used the "Right to erasure" multiple times with American companies just by saying I'm from Europe.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by tpmx »

bnt wrote: post #45
theshrike79 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly what I use SongShift for :D Apple's "New Music Mix" is absolute shit compared to Spotify's "Discover Weekly". Most of the stuff Spotify suggests to me are either complete bangers or listen-worthy at worst. Apple's stuff though... It's like they don't have ANY intelligence in the system at all. I listen to 80's gangsta-rap once, then I get modern mumblerap shit for months and months. BUT I do love how…

Apple Music is shit. Period. I rage quit the 6 month free trial the other day after “Siri, play the US top charts” resulted in “Sure, here’s the top charts in Serbia”. I’m not in Serbia. Their discovery is crap, YouTube has better music recommendations, most EDM is missing. No value in it at all.

Yeah. I thought everyone knew Apple Music is shit wrt their recommendations.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by gonehome »

lukeschlather wrote: post #70
gonehome wrote: post #30

I think this will push me to finally just jump to Apple Music (even though it’s worse and will now be harder to do, plus I’ll miss discover weekly). Spotify’s attack on podcasts with exclusivity and trying to destroy the open standard really bothers me: https://stratechery.com/2020/dithering-and-the-open-web/ Now with this I just don’t have much respect for them. When paired with their complaining about Apple’s polic…

Does Apple actually offer any of the services Spotify is banning via ToS? This feels like both companies are clearly in the wrong for engaging in the same sort of bad behavior.

As far as I know these apps can still export from Apple Music and I haven’t heard of any threats to remove support.

Apple has also been a good steward of podcasts and keeping the open standard.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by pitermach »

mb7733 wrote: post #22

What part of the TOS was violated, according to Spotify?

I'm guessing it was this paragraph in Section IV.1.H of the API terms of service found here: https://developer.spotify.com/terms/#iv

> h. Do not transfer Spotify Content to unauthorized third parties, including (i) directly or indirectly transferring any data (including aggregate, anonymous or derivative data) received from Spotify to, or use such data in connection with, any ad network, ad exchange, data broker, or other advertising or monetization-related toolset, even if a user consents to such transfer or use; or (ii) to another music service that competes with Spotify or the Spotify Service.

Interestingly enough it says these were last updated over 2 years ago, so they must have been not clamping down on this paragraph until now, or they added it recently and didn't bother to update the document version to hide it. Either way, this is very disappointing.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by gonehome »

theshrike79 wrote: post #42
madbkarim wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Playing devil’s advocate here. But, I think it can be bad for Spotify if the user copies the playlist that’s being curated by Spotify to another streaming service. It’s good for them if they could add some friction to it by, you know—manually copy it and doesn’t let it update automatically every time they make a change to the playlist—by shutting down the API for this kind of request altogether. It’s not about “allow…

This is exactly what I use SongShift for :D Apple's "New Music Mix" is absolute shit compared to Spotify's "Discover Weekly". Most of the stuff Spotify suggests to me are either complete bangers or listen-worthy at worst. Apple's stuff though... It's like they don't have ANY intelligence in the system at all. I listen to 80's gangsta-rap once, then I get modern mumblerap shit for months and months. BUT I do love how…

This is actually a fine thing for Spotify since you’re still paying for both.

Now that they’ve threatened songshift they’re forcing you to make a choice (or manually sync).

Hopefully you won’t choose Spotify.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by novok »

lukeschlather wrote: post #70
gonehome wrote: post #30

I think this will push me to finally just jump to Apple Music (even though it’s worse and will now be harder to do, plus I’ll miss discover weekly). Spotify’s attack on podcasts with exclusivity and trying to destroy the open standard really bothers me: https://stratechery.com/2020/dithering-and-the-open-web/ Now with this I just don’t have much respect for them. When paired with their complaining about Apple’s polic…

Does Apple actually offer any of the services Spotify is banning via ToS? This feels like both companies are clearly in the wrong for engaging in the same sort of bad behavior.

Well you can transfer your playlists out with songshift into whatever else, and some of those playlists can be generated by apple music themselves

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by Fnoord »

sbarre wrote: post #51
tpmx wrote: post #44

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Btw, I wish Spotify would expand further on Discover Weekly/Release Radar: - a builtin weekly personal archive of DW/RR - a "get me more more interesting music in this style based on other peoples recommendations" button etc.

It's not exactly what you're asking for, but a few years ago I started creating a new playlist at the start of each month, naming it " ", and I add any songs I'm enjoying that month.. Most of them come from Discover Weekly or Release Radar, but sometimes for other sources. It's an easy and interesting way to go back in time and see what I was listening to etc.. I have a "house rule" where I never remove any songs fro…

Although this probably doesn't work for me (see entire post) I really like this idea.

I still got my Starred playlist from back when you couldn't like. Been using dual like and Starred ever since they added like list. Since Starred playlist still contains dates, I could retroactively do what you did. However there would be some months with a lot and some with (almost) none and I have a tendency to hyperfocus on certain genres/artists for a while which might split but not on exact start of month.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by novok »

input_sh wrote: post #31

I've used similar services multiple times (Spotify to Deezer to Tidal to back to Spotify) and was fascinated by the results. Not 100% able to transfer the entire library, but always in the 90% range. Overall I think that music streaming services were probably the best services for switching platforms, and this is a blow that is surely gonna damage that reputation for me. Compare that to other markets that offer somet…

'Switching' in ebooks involves dumping them into drm-removed epubs or getting an equivalent from libgen. I'm not very aware of a 'spotify for books' that hasn't gone out of business. I think that's because books are far bigger investments than music or even TV.
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