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A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by sbarre »

tpmx wrote: post #44
theshrike79 wrote: post #42

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This is exactly what I use SongShift for :D Apple's "New Music Mix" is absolute shit compared to Spotify's "Discover Weekly". Most of the stuff Spotify suggests to me are either complete bangers or listen-worthy at worst. Apple's stuff though... It's like they don't have ANY intelligence in the system at all. I listen to 80's gangsta-rap once, then I get modern mumblerap shit for months and months. BUT I do love how…

Btw, I wish Spotify would expand further on Discover Weekly/Release Radar: - a builtin weekly personal archive of DW/RR - a "get me more more interesting music in this style based on other peoples recommendations" button etc.

It's not exactly what you're asking for, but a few years ago I started creating a new playlist at the start of each month, naming it " ", and I add any songs I'm enjoying that month.. Most of them come from Discover Weekly or Release Radar, but sometimes for other sources.

It's an easy and interesting way to go back in time and see what I was listening to etc..

I have a "house rule" where I never remove any songs from them after the fact. If I added it, then it stays.

At the end of the year, I try to pick 2 songs from each month to make a curated "Best of " and then compare that to the algorithmic one that Spotify sends me.

Anyways, it's been a really fun thing and a reasonable substitute for DW/RR archives.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by mortenjorck »

madbkarim wrote: post #33
lxe wrote: post #3

Keep in mind this doesn't actually "copy the files" but creates songs and playlist entries in another service, so nothing nefarious is happening. Spotify is just salty there's a service that allows to quickly find the same songs elsewhere.

Playing devil’s advocate here. But, I think it can be bad for Spotify if the user copies the playlist that’s being curated by Spotify to another streaming service. It’s good for them if they could add some friction to it by, you know—manually copy it and doesn’t let it update automatically every time they make a change to the playlist—by shutting down the API for this kind of request altogether. It’s not about “allow…

There’s a simple solution to this, and that is to only allow playlist-level API access where the playlist author matches the account making the request. Users can transfer out any playlists they created, while Spotify keeps Rap Caviar or whatever exclusive to the service.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by sbarre »

avolcano wrote: post #12
pgt wrote: post #9

I just used a similar service to move from Apple Music to Spotify. Now I'm thinking I should move back before Spotify tries to hold my playlists hostage. Spotify Developer Platform Team, if you're listening: you're imbeciles for doing this and you're putting customers back in a buying position when they were happy to keep giving you money forever. starts looking at alternatives

As far as I can tell, Spotify doesn't really have a Developer Platform team, just a legal department enforcing their ToS. All of their various SDKs are poorly maintained with zero points of contact. I think it's just a handful of engineers who care, working in their spare time at an organization that doesn't have any interest in giving them actual resources. For example: their web playback SDK has a provision about "…

Yeah they've been on the "Twitter path" with their developer tools..

As they mature and double-down on value extraction from their existing customers, they are cutting off more and more interesting third-party services that helped them grow but are now seen as competitors or detriments to their revenue.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by actuator »

tpmx wrote: post #17
actuator wrote: post #15

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Yeah, data portability is hard to define as a strict standard as it is extremely product specific. Even when we implemented it for my last company, we did JSON exports on signed S3 paths. I thought structured data was the easiest way for any competitor or user to use their data.

I feel they could have included a clause that would let a designated third party access the extracted data on the requester's behalf in an automated way. I think it could have worked pretty well to keep it as vague as that. (The auth aspects would need more detail, obviously.) I don't think data format fragmentation is a big issue (just implement adapters for the top five competitors in your market...), but rather th…

> I feel they could have included a clause that would let a designated third party access the extracted data on the requester's behalf in an automated way.

Yeah, this would have been nice. I am not sure if legally you could enforce that as automation itself is vague and depends on the source and target both.

> I don't think data format fragmentation is a big issue (just implement adapters for the top five competitors in your market...), but rather the impossibility of doing it in a quick and seamless manner on behalf of someone wanting to migrate their data to your service from some other service.

I think if companies were being honest in their efforts for data portability, as a first step they would not try to reap the benefit of the 30 day window by as much as they can.

For most, it should take mins or hours to get the export yet the best turnaround I have seen from any service has been from Tinder, it was I think 3 days.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by hellotomyrars »

It's bad for Apple to take a cut of our money and to compete with our service and it's best for the users if they can't do that.

We don't want the users to be able to easily shift from our platform to anyone else's, though. That's bad!

(Obviously the corporate interests only align with the consumer interest when it serves the bottom line of the corporation.)

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by milofeynman »

tpmx wrote: post #4

Seems like an obvious and sane target for antitrust legislation - compare with e.g. the mobile number portability directive in the EU way back in 2002. Related opinion piece: > Data portability: An antitrust weapon for the digital economy? (Le Monde, 2018) http://www.fondapol.org/en/the-foundation/medias-en-en/data-... > In concrete terms, what would portability in the digital economy look like? Let us imagine we cou…

This one is clearly anti-competive and I hope someone will help them out and pick it up. This is the most obvious requirement for the future of preventing these monopolies. The ability to get your data out.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by Firehawke »

enlyth wrote: post #24

It makes sense for Spotify to do this from a business perspective. I've been paying for six years now for Spotify Premium and it's just hands down the best music service, and I will gladly continue to give them my money. The Discord integration, cross device interoperability, UX are simply unmatched on all other music platforms.

Yes, their service IS great in a lot of areas... but between what they're doing with podcasts and now this bit with playlists, you have to ask yourself if you want to support a company that's pushing vendor lock-in so hard.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by tpmx »

jtbayly wrote: post #58
tpmx wrote: post #50

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Lol. A jingoist.

I’m pretty sure it’s a violation of community standards to use a person’s country of origin as an insult or slur. Are you intentionally trying to denigrate a people group?

I apologize. I edited the comment accordingly.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by jtbayly »

tpmx wrote: post #59
jtbayly wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pretty sure it’s a violation of community standards to use a person’s country of origin as an insult or slur. Are you intentionally trying to denigrate a people group?

I apologize. I edited the comment accordingly.

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