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Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Post by klyrs »

oxymoran wrote: post #317
newbie578 wrote: post #305

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You state an excellent point and I would love to see the Apple fanboys argue your point.

I love how people say Apple fanboys like it’s an insult. Is there a legitimate, better option to apple? No because the smartphone market is dominated by google and apple. At least apple pretends to care about privacy. Yes, apple are obviously hypocrites. Still better than google. If there was another viable choice I would happily go with that.

That was bait. Don't take the bait. Only you can prevent flamewars.

edit: oh god look at all these sibling comments, abort, abort!

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Post by HashThis »

abledon wrote: post #408
rmtech wrote: post #364

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That's unfair to Tim. He's a great help to the world's authoritarian regimes. He's doing plenty for them.

Its his fiduciary duty, the obligation to maximize profits for the shareholders.

That is evil. Consumer companies (aka Apple) must work for their customers (citizens). If consumer companies are working to be betray citizens, their customers, then corporations are evil. Customers pay the bill and Apple choses to betray the very people who pay the bill.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Post by takeda »

slang800 wrote: post #406
oxymoran wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how people say Apple fanboys like it’s an insult. Is there a legitimate, better option to apple? No because the smartphone market is dominated by google and apple. At least apple pretends to care about privacy. Yes, apple are obviously hypocrites. Still better than google. If there was another viable choice I would happily go with that.

You're implying that owning a smartphone is a necessity. You could simply own neither an Apple nor a Google product and sidestep this whole decision.

In this context it kind of is. It helps protesters organize and protect themselves.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Post by barney54 »

abledon wrote: post #408
rmtech wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's unfair to Tim. He's a great help to the world's authoritarian regimes. He's doing plenty for them.

Its his fiduciary duty, the obligation to maximize profits for the shareholders.

He does not have a fiduciary duty to kowtow to Belarus.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Post by bergstromm466 »

christophilus wrote: post #330
latexr wrote: post #259

Tim Cook’s twitter bio[1] has the following: > “Life's most persistent and urgent question is, 'What are you doing for others?'” - MLK Considering this and the HKmap.live[2] situations, I’d say that in his case the answer to that question is “not much”. [1]: https://twitter.com/tim_cook [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HKmap.live

Well, “others” is vague. Tim’s doing plenty for others. Belarus’ politicians are others. Xi and friends are others.

Ah... I think you misspelled NSA and the American Empire*

No worries, easy mistake

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Post by coldtea »

latexr wrote: post #259

Tim Cook’s twitter bio[1] has the following: > “Life's most persistent and urgent question is, 'What are you doing for others?'” - MLK Considering this and the HKmap.live[2] situations, I’d say that in his case the answer to that question is “not much”. [1]: https://twitter.com/tim_cook [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HKmap.live

Any such excerpt/quote from a CEO figure is just meaningless cant.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Post by gwright »

HashThis wrote: post #422
abledon wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its his fiduciary duty, the obligation to maximize profits for the shareholders.

That is evil. Consumer companies (aka Apple) must work for their customers (citizens). If consumer companies are working to be betray citizens, their customers, then corporations are evil. Customers pay the bill and Apple choses to betray the very people who pay the bill.

You are creating a false dichotomy.

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Post by esperent »

qPM9l3XJrF wrote: post #386
tripzilch wrote: post #341

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> So what do you do if you are Apple? Nothing because Apple has ZERO, no place meddling in this business. Just hear yourself, "it's against the TOS" versus people on the streets trying to save their own country from a stolen election and a dictator?? OF COURSE the TOS of a tech company is completely irrelevant in this situation. TOS aren't even laws, they were just created by a profit driven corporation for legal pro…

>Nothing because Apple has ZERO, no place meddling in this business. Not meddling means enforcing its TOS in an evenhanded way. Otherwise it's playing favorites.

When one side is an illegitimate government who stole an election, and the other side is millions of people fighting for democracy and freedom, possibly, just possibly, it's time to pick a side. Even if you're a huge amoral profit driven company who's fear of losing 0.1% of your profit precludes you from taking sides... Well, maybe just sit this one out?

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Post by esolyt »

echelon wrote: post #133
notRobot wrote: post #20

https://t.me/durov/136 > Previously, when removing posts at Apple’s request, Telegram replaced those posts with a notice that cited the exact rule limiting such content for iOS users. However, Apple reached out to us a while ago and said our app is not allowed to show users such notices because they were “irrelevant”. Fucking hell, Apple. ---- cough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_...

Please stop worshipping this company. It's not a force for good. They've kicked us out of open computing by locking down the only computer a lot of folks own (iPhone). And now look what kind of shit they can pull because they own the entire stack! This shouldn't be possible! We really have to push against this and hope the DOJ forces all phone providers to allow "side-loading" (what a bizarre term!) The iPhone is a c…

Isn't it sad? Running your own software on a computer you own has become this weird thing and there needs to be a specific term for it (side-loading).

Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus

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Post by tripzilch »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #257
Iv wrote: post #39

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I would be surprised if this were not a demand from the Belarus government, threatening sanctions on Apple, possibly with Russian support. The Belarus government can just block the App store entirely and may, if Apple does not comply.

> The Belarus government can just block the App store entirely and may, if Apple does not comply. So what??? Protestors are being imprisoned and tortured, they actually hanged protest organizers from trees, as a scare tactic, does Apple really want to go on public record as an enabler of this? It is ethically abhorrent, disgusting and beyond terrifying. If the team responsible for this at Apple is reading this thread…

100% agreed.

> does Apple really want to go on public record as an enabler of this?

They just did. They are. And I shall treat them as such.

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