fwiw Apple also bans any 18+ channels on iOS and MacOS, so Apple's censorship of Telegram is not a new development.
Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
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#252Hold on... it’s not quite as clear-cut as the Apple-haters that joyously jumped in put it. These channels are not about a platform for freedom of speech and rallying for peaceful demonstrations. Nope. It’s about exposing PII of public officials; names and home addresses? Take pause to appreciate the possible consequences of this. What could possibly go wrong? Now I agree that Belarus officials are complicit or active…
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#253https://t.me/durov/136 > Previously, when removing posts at Apple’s request, Telegram replaced those posts with a notice that cited the exact rule limiting such content for iOS users. However, Apple reached out to us a while ago and said our app is not allowed to show users such notices because they were “irrelevant”. Fucking hell, Apple. ---- cough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_...
Please stop worshipping this company. It's not a force for good. They've kicked us out of open computing by locking down the only computer a lot of folks own (iPhone). And now look what kind of shit they can pull because they own the entire stack! This shouldn't be possible! We really have to push against this and hope the DOJ forces all phone providers to allow "side-loading" (what a bizarre term!) The iPhone is a c…
Two companies fighting for monopoly, one side saying the other side is worse instead of fixing the system, middle class getting squeezed. Sounds pretty American to me.
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please stop worshipping this company. It's not a force for good. They've kicked us out of open computing by locking down the only computer a lot of folks own (iPhone). And now look what kind of shit they can pull because they own the entire stack! This shouldn't be possible! We really have to push against this and hope the DOJ forces all phone providers to allow "side-loading" (what a bizarre term!) The iPhone is a c…
If you don’t like Apple... don’t buy their stuff? It’s that easy. Just go buy a phone running the market leading OS, Android.
I can’t escape Apple even I would change to Android according to this decision done by Apple against Telegram.
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#255There is something terribly wrong here. Imagine Microsoft asking Facebook to block access to some Facebook groups for Windows/IE users. Yes Telegram is on the AppStore distributed by Apple, but it's a free app, just a enhanced web app. Apple wants to have control on what you know, what you see, what you think. I'm not going to buy an Apple product any time soon, despite the hardware and software being the best you ca…
No. Imagine a pro-Trump alt-right group identifying participants to BLM marches and sharing their names and addresses with their gun-toting mouth-frothing associated.
Would you be surprised if it devolved into threats, intimidations and people getting shot?
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#256Would Signal be a good replacement in this case?
Signal would be the same sort of thing. Perhaps you meant something with no central contral like a XMPP MUC. That way Apple would have no entity to threaten. Of course then Apple would just nerf all the XMPP clients in the app store and/or the government would block access to all the XMPP servers in use. Dunno how well XMPP over Tor would work here...
Re: Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in Belarus
#257Through what right or means can Apple demand this, though? Telegram is a platform for user-generated content and it seems odd for Apple to single-out those 3 channels/groups specifically - what about the hundreds of thousands of other objectionable groups on Telegram? And why Telegram in particular? Why doesn't Apple give the same ultimatum to Facebook to pressure them to block access to militant ethnonationalist gro…
I would be surprised if this were not a demand from the Belarus government, threatening sanctions on Apple, possibly with Russian support. The Belarus government can just block the App store entirely and may, if Apple does not comply.
> The Belarus government can just block the App store entirely and may, if Apple does not comply.
So what???
Protestors are being imprisoned and tortured, they actually hanged protest organizers from trees, as a scare tactic, does Apple really want to go on public record as an enabler of this?
It is ethically abhorrent, disgusting and beyond terrifying.
If the team responsible for this at Apple is reading this thread, you should know you have blood on your hands.
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#258What drives decision makers to want an extra million dollars at the expense of the already-poor?
You would think Apple would be content with its billions and could care less whether authoritarians are mad it them because protesters are evading abuse in prisons.
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#259Tim Cook’s twitter bio[1] has the following:
> “Life's most persistent and urgent question is, 'What are you doing for others?'” - MLK
Considering this and the HKmap.live[2] situations, I’d say that in his case the answer to that question is “not much”.
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#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please stop worshipping this company. It's not a force for good. They've kicked us out of open computing by locking down the only computer a lot of folks own (iPhone). And now look what kind of shit they can pull because they own the entire stack! This shouldn't be possible! We really have to push against this and hope the DOJ forces all phone providers to allow "side-loading" (what a bizarre term!) The iPhone is a c…
Yes, don't worship any company or organisation, not Apple, not SpaceX, not Bell Labs, not the United States of America, none at all. Even if they do the right things now, future leadership may decide to do the opposite and lie about it, values may change, goals shift. Try to treat them as groups of strangers that change every few years, not as individuals with a personality that you somehow feel like you really reall…
You're framing this debate as if apple PR statements "we're doing all of this for our user's best interests" were true.
They're not. They're doing this for maximizing the companie's profit. Which they absolutely don't need to (it's not like if apple was struggling financially, or trying to find an subtle business model that works).