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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by m0zg »

addicted wrote: post #29
m0zg wrote: post #24

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With more peace deals to come, by the way. Also he did not start any new wars, and started withdrawing US forces from the idiotic endless wars started by previous administrations. Donald Trump has done more for world peace than any US president since Reagan. It'd go further back than that, but Reagan defeated communism, which is pretty huge in itself.

Somehow more forces in all the places he said he would withdraw forces from than the beginning of his term = withdrawal of forces? The only genuine force withdrawal he did was in Syria, which will damage the US dramatically going forward because they completely abandoned their allies because Erdogan was able to sweet talk Donald Teump. And the “peace deals” are a joke because they were signed between Israel and count…

Thank you for leading with a lie. That allowed me to not read the rest of your elaborate message.

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-troops-are-deployed-m...

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by ThomPete »

metalliqaz wrote: post #76
ThomPete wrote: post #38

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You din't find it divisive becauee you agree with a lot of what he says. A lot of people found it divisive and the result was Trump.

Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Stop arguing in bad faith. Obama and Trump both have twitter accounts. Do you really want to start comparing the public record?

Why do you think Twitter is the right platform to measure that by?

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by jansan »

rsynnott wrote: post #83
jansan wrote: post #12

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I fully agree. The Nobel Peace Price had its reputation badly damaged when they gave it to Obama for "becoming president while being black and not George W. Bush".

I think it's easy to forget how dicey the nuclear treaty situation had become by the time Obama took office; Obama's commitment to a real replacement for START was actually quite important. That said, that arguably is just getting the prize for not being Bush.

This is the only valid argument IMO, but still it was premature. They should have waited at least another year.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by yostrovs »

tsimionescu wrote: post #94
yostrovs wrote: post #91

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Did the creation of the EU stop some war in Western Europe?

That is commonly believed, yes - it has brought together countries that had been in a bitter war less than 50 years earlier, and may well have preserved the peace.

Pure speculation. Just like the states haven't had a war because they're the United States. Imagine if the states would have become independent countries. I can imagine the endless warfare. Nobel in Peace as clearly deserved as the European States.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by metalliqaz »

ThomPete wrote: post #103
metalliqaz wrote: post #76

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Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Stop arguing in bad faith. Obama and Trump both have twitter accounts. Do you really want to start comparing the public record?

Why do you think Twitter is the right platform to measure that by?

Because it's easiest to search.

Please, explain to me how "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" is not divisive.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by refurb »

EForEndeavour wrote: post #96
refurb wrote: post #81

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It seems more like the Time magazine “Person of the year” cover. Stalin and Hitler both graced the cover at various points in time.

Time Person of the Year does sound like a prize, and I'd guess most people do think of it as a honour, but it's explicitly not that. The "Person of the Year" is some person, group, idea, or thing that Time Magazine decides "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year )

That's exactly my point, it's not actually based on any given accomplishment but more on "influence".

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by tim333 »

tsimionescu wrote: post #95
crusso wrote: post #58

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He has called fascists good people. He has called Mexican immigrants rapists I'm not a fan of Trump's personality, but on HN, can't we be intellectually honest about politics? The statements above are not in fact what he said if you allow him any honest amount of context.

Maybe the fascists one is a little ambiguous. I believe that he meant exactly what I said, but I admit that other rational people can believe otherwise. But for the second one he has stated 'When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drug…

Not a Trump fan but by "...rapists. And some, I assume, are good people" he no doubt meant some were rapist not all, which is factually correct. Trump says so much bad stuff that twisting his words only really weakens the opposition case.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by shripadk »

panpanna wrote: post #20
shripadk wrote: post #16

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Yeah and this is the Truth. But hey it doesn't matter because all these elites are living in their own bubble. That bubble will burst come November.

Not trying to get political, but I feel the middle east talks wasnt even between the right countries. Get Syria, Iran, Palestine and Israel to sign a peace agreement, now that would be an accomplishment. Peace between Israel and Bahrain? Were they even fighting? Edit: should have known this was a touchy subject...

> Get Syria, Iran, Palestine and Israel to sign a peace agreement, now that would be an accomplishment.

Did Obama do that? Then why was he given the Nobel Peace Prize? See that is why I said it is a joke! You guys have different standards for Obama and Trump. With Obama, he literally did not do anything and was given the Nobel Peace Prize. Even he was shocked when he heard it. But Trump did much more good than Obama and yet he hasn't been awarded. It is a joke!

Obama literally launched 12 new proxy wars during his entire tenure. Trump hasn't launched even one. Most US Presidents have been involved in some War or the other. Trump pulled troops out of Syria and Afghanistan. That is an accomplishment in itself.

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