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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by altacc »

sabana wrote: post #65
altacc wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.

So by your logic there would always have to be wars for there to be a Peace prize? What about keeping the peace? Preventing a war?

We’re talking about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict here. There is sustained and ongoing armed conflict between two or more groups. So yes, to win the peace prize for solving the Israeli-Palestine situation you have to have actually stop the conflict. There is no peace to maintain, and impossible to prevent a war that has already happened.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

altacc wrote: post #46
yadco wrote: post #13

Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.

Not listening and getting rid of Bolt? Anyone who was alive during Bush administration all around the world, and want world peace, cheered for the decision.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by implements »

jansan wrote: post #12
Synaesthesia wrote: post #4

One of the more deserving winners of this prize.

I fully agree. The Nobel Peace Price had its reputation badly damaged when they gave it to Obama for "becoming president while being black and not George W. Bush".

I don’t agree - a black person rising to the Presidency given the US’s cultural problem regarding race has achieved something truly noteworthy.

And prizes, well they’re not always awards for past actions but instead act as a financial and prestige boost for someone with potential to help them achieve more.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by altacc »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #48
yadco wrote: post #13

Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

Frankly if Obama won it, so should Trump.

One-upping Obama seems to be a primary motivation for Trump, but it’s not how awards work. Just because Obama got the peace prize when he shouldn’t have doesn’t mean Trump should also get it when he shouldn’t have. Two wrongs not making a right and all that.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by metalliqaz »

ThomPete wrote: post #38
mola wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did obama say anything devisive? When did he actively intended to enflame tense situation? When did he say anything outright disrespectful to his opposition ? Obama may not have been perfect but he was always respectful, always kept his cool. Comparing Trump's hateful rhetoric of his opposition to How obama conducted himself is a bad joke.

You din't find it divisive becauee you agree with a lot of what he says. A lot of people found it divisive and the result was Trump.

Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists.

Stop arguing in bad faith. Obama and Trump both have twitter accounts. Do you really want to start comparing the public record?

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by InitialLastName »

lowdose wrote: post #47
raxxorrax wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bush did far more damage than Trump in my opinion. He set the direction for policies for decades to come. Terrorism everywhere... An aging western population will keep it that way for a few more.

But Dick Cheney stripped president Bush to a mere symbolic endeavor while upgraded his span of control as Vice with the executive power Cheney took from W. Bush before they went in office. I highly recommend watching the movie Vice which gives a very telling report on these developments. Some people say Bush behavior after his time in office is very typical for people that experienced severe gaslighting which manifes…

While I agree that Cheney was probably more powerful than a normal VP, you really need to keep in mind that the movie Vice is still fictionalized, with its own narrative and interpretation of events to push that may or may not have anything to do with reality.

That you call it a "telling report" suggests you might also want to revisit your perspective on Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by scottlocklin »

altacc wrote: post #46
yadco wrote: post #13

Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.

Forgot about this one already?

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1978/ceremony-speech...

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by netcan »

cgtyoder wrote: post #66

Yasser Arafat - still the only person to hijack a plane and win the Nobel Peace Prize.

So far...

The prize going to political leaders has been a mixed bag. Aung San Suu Kyi didn't turn out, for a recent example. The Arafat/Rabin choice seems poor in retrospect, but ATT it would have seemed like a similar choice to Begin/Sadaat a few years earlier. The latter peace did work out.

None of these people were pure white snow. All four were aggressive, militaristic nationalists for all their life. They all made peace though, or tried.

These are the kinds of choices that make the Peace Prize actually active. Politicians seek recognition, usually. I think venerating them for peacefulness does actually motivate. Trump wants one, for example. If an opportunity was there, I think he might have actually taken it just to get the prize.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by netcan »

contravariant wrote: post #28
yadco wrote: post #13

Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

No matter what he did it's a bad idea to give the Nobel Peace Prize to someone so divisive.

Well....

Politicians like to be recognized as "great" and a the Nobel Peace Prize does appeal to many. Trump's desire is a good example. If you avoid controversial figures, you avoid using the prize as a motivator exactly where you need it.

For example, Begin/Sadaat and Arafat/Rabin. The first peace worked out. The second one didn't. But, all four of these people led a pretty violent life as militaristic and nationalistic leaders. They're all extremely controversial in the middle east, and in their own countries.

I definitely don't think avoiding divisive political figures is a good. thing. That said, I don't think he's earned one.

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