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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Yeah and this is the Truth. But hey it doesn't matter because all these elites are living in their own bubble. That bubble will burst come November.

Not trying to get political, but I feel the middle east talks wasnt even between the right countries. Get Syria, Iran, Palestine and Israel to sign a peace agreement, now that would be an accomplishment. Peace between Israel and Bahrain? Were they even fighting? Edit: should have known this was a touchy subject...

Like I said to get these Countries to RECOGNIZE each other is a major accomplishment. Downvoting does not accomplish much besides suppress the truth via greyed out text.

HN mods should flag this discussion. Sad to see this type of divisive behavior but I'm not surprised. I'm personally excited to see UAE and Israel sitting at a table instead of flinging bombs but I've always been pro peace. Perhaps Obama supporters truly are not. Gross

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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One of the more deserving winners of this prize.

I fully agree. The Nobel Peace Price had its reputation badly damaged when they gave it to Obama for "becoming president while being black and not George W. Bush".

The award is to be given based on last years effort. Obama had the time between Jan and Oct 2019 in office, where he did several important things to improve world peace.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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When did that start? The Nobel Peace Prize was first awarded to an institution in 1904 - https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1904/summary/ - so, to answer your question, 116 years ago.

I think he's talking about it being a grant program. Probably tongue in cheek as well.

I believe JumpCrisscross is suggesting that the World Food Programme winning the Nobel Prize is effectively the Nobel Foundation giving them 9m SEK to carry on their work (eg a grant) rather than awarding them the prize for the work they do to promote peace (eg a prize). I didn't read the comment as tongue in cheek at all. I read it as JumpCrisscross saying WFP didn't do enough to deserve the prize, presumably because tackling poverty and starvation isn't enough in JumpCrisscross's opinion.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

With more peace deals to come, by the way. Also he did not start any new wars, and started withdrawing US forces from the idiotic endless wars started by previous administrations. Donald Trump has done more for world peace than any US president since Reagan. It'd go further back than that, but Reagan defeated communism, which is pretty huge in itself.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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I fully agree. The Nobel Peace Price had its reputation badly damaged when they gave it to Obama for "becoming president while being black and not George W. Bush".

The award is to be given based on last years effort. Obama had the time between Jan and Oct 2019 in office, where he did several important things to improve world peace.

He did.

It was still undeserved.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Not trying to get political, but I feel the middle east talks wasnt even between the right countries. Get Syria, Iran, Palestine and Israel to sign a peace agreement, now that would be an accomplishment. Peace between Israel and Bahrain? Were they even fighting? Edit: should have known this was a touchy subject...

Like I said to get these Countries to RECOGNIZE each other is a major accomplishment. Downvoting does not accomplish much besides suppress the truth via greyed out text. HN mods should flag this discussion. Sad to see this type of divisive behavior but I'm not surprised. I'm personally excited to see UAE and Israel sitting at a table instead of flinging bombs but I've always been pro peace. Perhaps Obama supporters t…

Sure, but Turkey and Egypt recognized Isreal in 1950 and 1979. Saudi Arabia/Iraq/Syria still do not recognize Israel.

In comparison, Bahrain and UAE are tiny countries that already had pretty normal relationship with Israel, just not very official.

So an achievement by POTUS, yes. But let's not oversell it.

(Not gonna comment more on this, politics make me nervous)

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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I fully agree. The Nobel Peace Price had its reputation badly damaged when they gave it to Obama for "becoming president while being black and not George W. Bush".

The Peace prize's reputation is very low for a large number of reasons, including perhaps the one you list.

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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

With more peace deals to come, by the way. Also he did not start any new wars, and started withdrawing US forces from the idiotic endless wars started by previous administrations. Donald Trump has done more for world peace than any US president since Reagan. It'd go further back than that, but Reagan defeated communism, which is pretty huge in itself.

Somehow more forces in all the places he said he would withdraw forces from than the beginning of his term = withdrawal of forces?

The only genuine force withdrawal he did was in Syria, which will damage the US dramatically going forward because they completely abandoned their allies because Erdogan was able to sweet talk Donald Teump.

And the “peace deals” are a joke because they were signed between Israel and countries that were never hostile towards each other in the first place. UAE and Bahrain? It was simply Trump paying UAE/Bahrain your tax dollars for them to formally announce something that has always been the case, and Bibi doing the same so that Trump could continue to allow him to annex Palestinian land in peace to satisfy the most orthodox people in his country who are keeping him in power and saving him from prosecution.

And yeah, supplying arms to the Saudis so they can continue slaughtering the Yemenis and unilaterally breaking a peace deal so Iranians can die in massive numbers are not starting a war, but is causing civilian death tolls that are extremely high.

And sure, creating massive instability and allowing China to run free in most of Asia and Africa is also not starting a war, but is completely weakening the US and emboldening China in ways we couldn’t have imagined 5 years ago (for all his anti China talk, Trump has been remarkably weak against them, which isn’t surprising considering that until January the highlight of his tenure was gonna be a joke of a trade deal with China, and that he spent years without touching trade with China but slapping tariffs on all the US’s allies).

And of course, dismantling treaties with Russia, such as the open skies treaty for example, which was a completely one sided treaty in favor of the US and its allies only served to increase the risk of war.

And how about jumping into peace talks between S Korea and N Korea (S Korea’s new President was elected on the explicit platform of trying to restart peace discussions with N Korea) and derailing the entire process, by giving Kim exactly what he wanted...a photo op with the US president which he could promote within his own country, without getting anything in return (I guess the love letters from Kim to Donald Trump was something).

And we haven’t even gotten to the part where he and his have explicitly and implicitly supported and emboldened white supremacists in the US and Europe.

Donald Trump is best looked at as someone who never boiled the water, but definitely turned up the temperature so it’s hitting close to 190. He has taken decades of goodwill and trust, and burned it so he could claim minor victories which hurt the US massively but can be something for him to crow about.

It requires an extremely narrow way of looking at the world (at basically the PR level) to think Donald Teump is even close to being net positive for world peace.

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