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Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by M2Ys4U »

thomasfl wrote: post #31
swyx wrote: post #10

Im not sure why this is but I'm always happier about the prize going to an organization rather than an individual person. I think literally placing the entire weight of world peace on one person is too much, and it places that person under incredible scrutiny for the rest of their life (or conversely anything bad they personally did in the past gets dragged up). handing it to an org recognizes that it takes much more…

Totally agree. The European Union got the peace prize in 2012. Europa used to be most warn torn part of the world, and the origin of two world wars. Members states of the EU are expelled if they have armed conflicts with their neighbouring countries.

Not exactly - there's no mechanism to expel a member state from the EU.

Member states may have "certain [...] rights deriving from the application of the Treaties to the Member State in question, including the voting rights of the representative of the government of that Member State in the Council" suspended, but "The obligations of the Member State in question under the Treaties shall in any case continue to be binding on that State." (Article 7 TEU)

The only way for a member state to cease being a member state is through the withdrawal process in Article 50 TEU (i.e. like Brexit).

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by yostrovs »

thomasfl wrote: post #31
swyx wrote: post #10

Im not sure why this is but I'm always happier about the prize going to an organization rather than an individual person. I think literally placing the entire weight of world peace on one person is too much, and it places that person under incredible scrutiny for the rest of their life (or conversely anything bad they personally did in the past gets dragged up). handing it to an org recognizes that it takes much more…

Totally agree. The European Union got the peace prize in 2012. Europa used to be most warn torn part of the world, and the origin of two world wars. Members states of the EU are expelled if they have armed conflicts with their neighbouring countries.

The United States are still waiting for their peace prize on the same grounds. And the peace has lasted longer.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by tinco »

not_a_moth wrote: post #35
contravariant wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter what he did it's a bad idea to give the Nobel Peace Prize to someone so divisive.

Try listening to his addresses and speeches over the last couple years, and look at the policies he's implemented. Look at all the dishonest coverage, and yes his blunt way of talking doesn't help, but it's still hard not to conclude that the media is the primary source of him being considered divisive.

I've seen a bunch of his speeches and many if not most of his speeches made my blood boil and I don't even live in the US, I don't read/watch much US media and my local news though allegedly left leaning only reports factual news on him and US politics in general.

Can you give an example of him being respectful or understanding of democrat policy or politicians?

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by nindalf »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #17
yadco wrote: post #13

Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

I realize this will cause cognitive dissonance in rabid anti-Trumpers but the fact that this admin has brokered MENA deals to recognize Israel as a Nation is a very positive thing for World Peace. Unlike the constant bombing of MENA by Bush and then by Obama. Disgusting policy really. The Obama win was laughable, why did he get it again? Instead of downvotes can we get some information?

Complaining about downvotes on HN after being flagged already. It's a bold strategy, let's see if it works out for you.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by person_of_color »

not_a_moth wrote: post #35
contravariant wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter what he did it's a bad idea to give the Nobel Peace Prize to someone so divisive.

Try listening to his addresses and speeches over the last couple years, and look at the policies he's implemented. Look at all the dishonest coverage, and yes his blunt way of talking doesn't help, but it's still hard not to conclude that the media is the primary source of him being considered divisive.

Didn’t he call other countries shitholes?

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by altacc »

yadco wrote: post #13

Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals.

If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by lowdose »

raxxorrax wrote: post #19
jacobush wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, that's quite the accomplishment nowadays.

Bush did far more damage than Trump in my opinion. He set the direction for policies for decades to come. Terrorism everywhere... An aging western population will keep it that way for a few more.

But Dick Cheney stripped president Bush to a mere symbolic endeavor while upgraded his span of control as Vice with the executive power Cheney took from W. Bush before they went in office.

I highly recommend watching the movie Vice which gives a very telling report on these developments.

Some people say Bush behavior after his time in office is very typical for people that experienced severe gaslighting which manifests as a condition similar to Stockholm syndrome.

Bush was installed as President and kept in the dark because Dick Cheney had all foreign policies in his power portfolio.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6266538/

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by yitchelle »

swyx wrote: post #10

Im not sure why this is but I'm always happier about the prize going to an organization rather than an individual person. I think literally placing the entire weight of world peace on one person is too much, and it places that person under incredible scrutiny for the rest of their life (or conversely anything bad they personally did in the past gets dragged up). handing it to an org recognizes that it takes much more…

Very much in agreement with you.

In this day and age, a single person having this level of impact on the world is rare. They might be the figure head, but there is usually a team behind the figure head that finally implements it. The team also deserve the recognition.

Re: The Nobel Peace Prize 2020

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Post by tsimionescu »

yostrovs wrote: post #42
thomasfl wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. The European Union got the peace prize in 2012. Europa used to be most warn torn part of the world, and the origin of two world wars. Members states of the EU are expelled if they have armed conflicts with their neighbouring countries.

The United States are still waiting for their peace prize on the same grounds. And the peace has lasted longer.

Was America a war torn region before the states united? As far as I know, not by a long shot.
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