Lost all credibility to me when they gave it to Obama despite him not doing anything.
It seems more like the Time magazine “Person of the year” cover.
Stalin and Hitler both graced the cover at various points in time.
The Nobel Peace Prize 2020
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#82When I unexpectedly found myself responsible for feeding 100 people at imminent risk of starvation, half way around the world, WFP made it happen. Not only did they make an urgent delivery, they paved the way for a partnership with the Food and Agriculture Organization to set up a sustainable way for the people to feed themselves long-term (chickens: eggs to eat and to sell to buy other food). When talking about food security, even small numbers like this have an enormous impact, and it is truly mind-boggling to consider the overall impact of their work.
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#83One of the more deserving winners of this prize.
I fully agree. The Nobel Peace Price had its reputation badly damaged when they gave it to Obama for "becoming president while being black and not George W. Bush".
I think it's easy to forget how dicey the nuclear treaty situation had become by the time Obama took office; Obama's commitment to a real replacement for START was actually quite important. That said, that arguably is just getting the prize for not being Bush.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.
Forgot about this one already? https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1978/ceremony-speech...
At the time that was given, Egypt and Israel had been formally in a state of war for over 30 years, and just a few years previously there had been a war in which thousands had died. It's not really a comparable situation.
Also, it was, quite reasonably, given to Sadat and Begin, not Carter.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a ridiculous amount of hair splitting. The normalization of diplomatic relations between Israel and major powers in the Middle East is a huge win for anyone who cares about peace. It's astounding to me that people hate Trump so much that they refuse to recognize the historicity of this moment. We're seeing a fundamental change in the dynamics of a conflict that has been ongoing for generations, and there's no…
There have been many different attempts to solve the Israel/Palestine conflict and its many associated issues. Every US president has a go and having yet another attempt doesn’t win anyone awards until real results & a resolution between the parties involved in the conflict is achieved. There was no big win here, Bahrain & UAE already had relationships with Israel, they were not in conflict. At best it can be describ…
I suspect the crux of the disagreement is whether the conflict is "Israel/Palestine", as you label it, or "Israel/Arab", as I suspect crusso labels it. The UAE/Bahrain peace deals are a big step for the latter, and not directly relevant to the former. So if you focus on the former, you are right that "not much has progressed", but that's a matter of what sort of progress you care about.
For a long time the two conflicts were sort of interlinked, in that the Palestinians were used as both a rallying point and a pawn in the more general Arab/Israel conflict. Part of the significance of the UAE/Bahrain deals is an ongoing de-linking of the two conflicts.
As a concrete example of a substantive changes that will actually affect the lives of a number of people that have happened recently in the larger Arab/Israel context, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain are now generally allowing flights from Israel through their airspace. This and the other recent liberalization steps are worth considering in the context of the situation described in https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/the-peace-deal-is-a-big-de..., where quite recently references to Israel were routinely censored in textbooks and encyclopedias in the UAE.
It's a big change from that to where we are now, and importantly it's a lot harder to sustain hostility against people you interact with on a daily basis than against a mysterious and vilified "other" that you never experience in person. So to the extent that easier travel leads to the travel actually happening, a practical effect of the sort of normalization of relations we are seeing could be a reduction in hostility "on the ground". Though that's likely to take a generation or three; these things are slow to change.
Now how much credit _Trump_ should get for any of this, I dunno; I wasn't in those conversations. But I also don't think people should claim that the changes here are not important just because they (for excellent reasons!) dislike Trump.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
So by your logic there would always have to be wars for there to be a Peace prize? What about keeping the peace? Preventing a war?
We’re talking about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict here. There is sustained and ongoing armed conflict between two or more groups. So yes, to win the peace prize for solving the Israeli-Palestine situation you have to have actually stop the conflict. There is no peace to maintain, and impossible to prevent a war that has already happened.
You're talking about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Other people are talking about the wider Israeli-Arab conflict, which has been closer to a cold war in the last couple of decades (modulo various training/funding for proxy operations), but just as real as the Cold War between the US and the Soviet Union. And worth defusing just like that one, though obviously it didn't have the "possible nuclear holocaust" issue going on.
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#87When I unexpectedly found myself responsible for feeding 100 people at imminent risk of starvation, half way around the world, WFP made it happen. Not only did they make an urgent delivery, they paved the way for a partnership with the Food and Agriculture Organization to set up a sustainable way for the people to feed themselves long-term (chickens: eggs to eat and to sell to buy other food). When talking about food…
How do you unexpectedly find yourself in a situation like that?
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#88Lost all credibility to me when they gave it to Obama despite him not doing anything.
This is decidedly not true. You can do your own research as to why he was given it, as well as the process involved. To suggest he did nothing is a flat out lie.
Why don't you point out something he did rather than claiming it is a lie? If your claim is that he did something to deserve it, then the onus is on you to prove it.
Here is the first link I get returned for Obama Peace Prize"
https://nypost.com/2019/11/02/why-obama-got-a-nobel-peace-pr...
It even says: “It is true, Obama did not do much before winning,” Lundestad, 74, a member of Norway’s Nobel Committee until 2014, told The Post.
Second link I got returned is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
"Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize"
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#89When I unexpectedly found myself responsible for feeding 100 people at imminent risk of starvation, half way around the world, WFP made it happen. Not only did they make an urgent delivery, they paved the way for a partnership with the Food and Agriculture Organization to set up a sustainable way for the people to feed themselves long-term (chickens: eggs to eat and to sell to buy other food). When talking about food…
How do you unexpectedly find yourself in a situation like that?
I was helping these people with a different type of need (non-life-threatening), then later the food security situation developed and nobody else seemed to be able/willing to help, so I changed my focus. As I imagine is often the case where WFP is concerned, the population was especially vulnerable due to pre-existing medical conditions.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
The United States are still waiting for their peace prize on the same grounds. And the peace has lasted longer.
Was America a war torn region before the states united? As far as I know, not by a long shot.
Quite a bit of genocide occurred in the territories, but most of that calmed down before they reached statehood.