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Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by inshadows »

ignoramous wrote: post #83
bgdam wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greentunnel is not just a DoH client. Greentunnel also breaks up your packets in such a manner that prevents SNI sniffing, which is what makes it able to prevent blocking by Jio.

> Greentunnel also breaks up your packets in such a manner that prevents SNI sniffing... Yep, here's the code that does the trick: https://github.com/SadeghHayeri/GreenTunnel/blob/master/src/...

Hmmm... No thanks.

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Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by dontcarethrow2 »

ponker wrote: post #65
djsumdog wrote: post #11

I remember visiting India as a kid with my family, and one of my cousins telling me about an America TV series that was banned. I didn't think much of it at the time, but as I've grown older, I've really come to appreciate the freedom of speech we have in America. I just wrote a post about it: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/why-i-no-longer-hate-amer... India is literally the largest democratic country by populati…

Be careful what you wish for... while I've always been a huge fan of the First Amendment, the consequences of completely unrestrained speech have never been clearer, with quite significant numbers of people believing that Bill Gates engineered Covid-19 to implant computer chips in your brain through vaccines, and other stuff which would be hilarious if it weren't so destructive.

I am glad they exercised those freedoms in the examples you mentioned. I did however miss the destruction they caused. And why wouldn't they poke fun at some dinosaur who desperately tries to remain relevant? I should start making more memes targetting billionaires, think of all the havoc!

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by quirmian »

_8gfe wrote: post #92
rishav_sharan wrote: post #86

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As an Indian, knowing the journalistic persecution and state of free speech in India, I wouldn't be surprised if India is tied up with Pakistan. Here is some stuff to read up on this http://www.rightsrisks.org/banner/india-medias-crackdown-dur... http://attacksonrtiusers.org/

This is totally wrong. We have free speech but the major problem is that poor and educated aren't ready for this level of openness in our society.

And this statement here (one I’ve heard before from others as well) demonstrates one of our biggest problems (speaking as someone who grew up in India) - and makes my blood boil.

Without respect for the individual and individual rights, Indian society will not progress. Sitting on your high horse and making judgements about how the poor and uneducated (or any other group) aren’t ready for free speech is not the way.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by nacs »

statictype wrote: post #98
iamsb wrote: post #68

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In that ranking India is only 0.01 points ahead of pakistan. Does not pass my smell test about its methodology to be honest.

Sri Lanka ranking well ahead of India is an even bigger red flag. Journalists and editors have been openly killed in Sri Lanka for opinion pieces that dared to tarnish the government.

Agreed but it is ranked 127 so it’s towards the bottom as it should be.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by AnHonestComment »

Santosh83 wrote: post #84
justDankin wrote: post #78

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You can delete it after running. Each run on an (ISP, state) combination gives a new test point. Thanks!

Off-topic but I'm noticing that every comment of yours on this post shows up as greyed-out and 'dead' immediately after you post, within minutes. There's not enough time for people to downvote and in any case none of your comments are downvote-worthy. I've been 'vouching' for your comments so others can read them. Maybe something @dang can look into?

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Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by justaguyhere »

yorwba wrote: post #99
iamsb wrote: post #68

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In that ranking India is only 0.01 points ahead of pakistan. Does not pass my smell test about its methodology to be honest.

The difference is actually 0.19 points. You can read their description of press freedom in India https://rsf.org/en/india or of Pakistan https://rsf.org/en/pakistan and neither sounds that great.

I constantly see Norway/Denmark/Sweden/Switzerland at the top of good lists, like this rsf one. Never been there, but a bit jealous (and happy for those living there) that other countries that have insanely more resources at their disposal are unable to copy these tiny countries.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by Izkata »

sdoering wrote: post #52
wutwutwutwut wrote: post #40

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Any source for that, looks pretty good to me? Been to 30 or so different countries but not entirely sure why traveling abroad is relevant.

You probably won't get a reply. At least a rational one. I experienced similar sentiment here on HN when discussion the topic of freedom a while back. Reporters without borders is probably one of the best sources to evaluate the quality of Freedom of Press worldwide. But for some people arguing that not all is great with their freedom in the US challenges a part of their identity. And that makes rational discussion a…

> Or take the outcry at Google when someone at Google published an internal mail with right wing leaning (if I remember correctly).

The only thing that comes to mind for me here is the Damore memo, except 1) he didn't publish it, and 2) it was very left-leaning. It was about how to actually achieve the company's diversity goals, there were just some parts of it based on actual research that went against accepted narratives.

Was there some other leaked email I'd not seen?

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by tristor »

daliusd wrote: post #27
djsumdog wrote: post #11

I remember visiting India as a kid with my family, and one of my cousins telling me about an America TV series that was banned. I didn't think much of it at the time, but as I've grown older, I've really come to appreciate the freedom of speech we have in America. I just wrote a post about it: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/why-i-no-longer-hate-amer... India is literally the largest democratic country by populati…

https://rsf.org/en/ranking It seems you are not that right.

Their methodology seems strongly politically motivated, because they rank Germany very highly despite the repression of speech related to Turkey by journalists in Germany. Germany literally made certain types of speech illegal for geopolitical reasons because of their ties to Turkey.

Perhaps these rankings would have been believable 5 years ago, but today, they are not. The United States is also rated much too low here, which also stinks of political motivation. While we do have a President that can't seem to help but open his mouth to release stupidity and toxicity, the US has the strongest legal protections of speech and press in the world, and the only government action against journalists that might shift this belief is the ongoing case with Julian Assange, too recent to have been reflected in these rankings.

There is, to my knowledge, only one country which has Constitutionally protected free speech and it's the United States. There are censorship laws on the books in most other countries, either in fact, or in actuality. Germany for instance censors many types of speech. You may have some argument that this is a good thing, but nonetheless it shouldn't rank higher on any unbiased free speech index than the US, and yet here is one in which it is more than 30 positions higher ranked.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by C1sc0cat »

sdoering wrote: post #52
wutwutwutwut wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any source for that, looks pretty good to me? Been to 30 or so different countries but not entirely sure why traveling abroad is relevant.

You probably won't get a reply. At least a rational one. I experienced similar sentiment here on HN when discussion the topic of freedom a while back. Reporters without borders is probably one of the best sources to evaluate the quality of Freedom of Press worldwide. But for some people arguing that not all is great with their freedom in the US challenges a part of their identity. And that makes rational discussion a…

Mr Danmore far right incel views - your really going there?

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by colinmhayes »

numlock86 wrote: post #38
djsumdog wrote: post #11

I remember visiting India as a kid with my family, and one of my cousins telling me about an America TV series that was banned. I didn't think much of it at the time, but as I've grown older, I've really come to appreciate the freedom of speech we have in America. I just wrote a post about it: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/why-i-no-longer-hate-amer... India is literally the largest democratic country by populati…

> I remember visiting India as a kid with my family, and one of my cousins telling me about an America TV series that was banned. I didn't think much of it at the time, but as I've grown older, I've really come to appreciate the freedom of speech we have in America. I don't get that statement. For example, there are a lot of banned TV series in "America" (I assume USA?), too. Not even going to mention all that other…

What series have been banned in the us? I can watch anything I want here.
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