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Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it seems anyone who has traveled outside of their home country recognizes this list as the bullshit that it is. Please stop linking it.

Any source for that, looks pretty good to me? Been to 30 or so different countries but not entirely sure why traveling abroad is relevant.

You probably won't get a reply. At least a rational one. I experienced similar sentiment here on HN when discussion the topic of freedom a while back.

Reporters without borders is probably one of the best sources to evaluate the quality of Freedom of Press worldwide.

But for some people arguing that not all is great with their freedom in the US challenges a part of their identity. And that makes rational discussion at least difficult.

As an example: Growing up near the Iron Curtain (on the western side) I believed for a long time, that we were the universally free side, while there was no freedom in the east.

During the last 10 years or so I realized that there were freedoms on the other side I didn't know of. And have never had in this so called free society.

I came to realize that there are different freedoms and that every society has different limits to these freedoms. Sometimes even within one country there are different limits to the same freedom for different social groups. Take Germany for example. The freedom to receive a good to great education depends massively on the affluency of one's family. There is nearly no chance of social movement for the poor. Or take the freedom to tell your boss what a bad idea it is to increase dividends for shareholders by 10% while letting people go (with the official reason being told is, that the company is struggling) and telling the rest, that there is no mt enough earnings to warrant a raise. I know people who were fired because of this.

Or take the outcry at Google when someone at Google published an internal mail with right wing leaning (if I remember correctly).

I am very much left leaning, but I would not challenge some parts of the ideological agendas being pushed at my workplace because I fear being ostracized.

So to make a long argument short I think freedom isn't an absolute. And the ideology behind it is often part of someone's identity. That makes rational discussion difficult.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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post #46

Does anyone have insight into why College Humor (referenced in the article) is blocked in India? This seems unusual and I wonder what (if any) reasons were provided.

Another peculiar one being blocked (at least on Airtel) is Newgrounds. Not really sure what was going on when they decided to ban it.

Newgrounds is full of porn. It's probably blocked for the same reason pornhub is.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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post #55

For anyone in India, just use a DoH client and you would be good to go. I use greentunnel and it works fine.

Is something like greentunnel necessary. I'm in India and I've found that Firefox with its builtin DoH connection to Cloudflare seems to bypass all govt blocks I've personally come across. Haven't tested specifically for this though... just normal browsing experience.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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post #55

For anyone in India, just use a DoH client and you would be good to go. I use greentunnel and it works fine.

Greentunnel is not just a DoH client. Greentunnel also breaks up your packets in such a manner that prevents SNI sniffing, which is what makes it able to prevent blocking by Jio.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any source for that, looks pretty good to me? Been to 30 or so different countries but not entirely sure why traveling abroad is relevant.

You probably won't get a reply. At least a rational one. I experienced similar sentiment here on HN when discussion the topic of freedom a while back. Reporters without borders is probably one of the best sources to evaluate the quality of Freedom of Press worldwide. But for some people arguing that not all is great with their freedom in the US challenges a part of their identity. And that makes rational discussion a…

Oh, well, hold on on that Google point.

The problem with the Damore note wasn’t that it was right-leaning, or that it was contrary to accepted wisdom or outside the Overton window; the problem with the Damore note was that it deliberately and actively impugned the abilities of certain minorities and called into question whether they actually belonged at Google or whether the environment had been changed in a negative way to accommodate them, in a note authored and published within Google.

That is definitely the creation of a hostile workplace environment, if not straight harassment; the leaning, relative veracity, or content of the note isn’t really important in light of that fact. And he was fired for a violation of Google’s code of conduct.

To wit:

> Damore withdrew his complaint with the National Labor Relations Board before the board released any official findings. However, shortly before the withdrawal, an internal NLRB memo found that his firing was legal. The memo, which was not released publicly until February 2018, said that while the law shielded him from being fired solely for criticizing Google, it did not protect discriminatory statements, that his memo's "statements regarding biological differences between the sexes were so harmful, discriminatory, and disruptive as to be unprotected", and that these "discriminatory statements", not his criticisms of Google, were the reason for his firing.

From the Wikipedia article.

If he had published that note independently, ie using his own resources and not an internal mailing list, then you might have just thought him an asshole, and found him difficult to work with, say. But he didn’t.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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post #55

For anyone in India, just use a DoH client and you would be good to go. I use greentunnel and it works fine.

Is something like greentunnel necessary. I'm in India and I've found that Firefox with its builtin DoH connection to Cloudflare seems to bypass all govt blocks I've personally come across. Haven't tested specifically for this though... just normal browsing experience.

Try using your setup to access a blocked website on a Jio connection. You'll find why greentunnel is required :)
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