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Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Will TLS 1.3 and ESNI support circumvent this?

Pretty much yes, unless ISPs start blocking IPs as well. We haven't seen this in India (at least yet)

That also gets tricky for them, when say IPs are from Cloudflare, AWS or other cloud-scalers and CDNs.

Nations will struggle to block the IP ranges for big players like that without blocking a lot of stuff they don’t intend to.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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In that ranking India is only 0.01 points ahead of pakistan. Does not pass my smell test about its methodology to be honest.

As an Indian, knowing the journalistic persecution and state of free speech in India, I wouldn't be surprised if India is tied up with Pakistan. Here is some stuff to read up on this http://www.rightsrisks.org/banner/india-medias-crackdown-dur... http://attacksonrtiusers.org/

This is totally wrong. We have free speech but the major problem is that poor and educated aren't ready for this level of openness in our society.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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You don't really need tor or any other VPN for that matter, https://getintra.org/ a DoH client for Android works just fine [0] [0] https://twitter.com/vinifortuna/status/1304189371688660992

DoH client won’t stop SNI blocking, of which this report found a lot. ESNI, of the new trick of using ESNI plus a fake plaintext SNI, is definitely a more robust approach.

A DoH client cannot prevent SNI blocking (I never claimed otherwise) but Intra does employ other client-side tricks to do so. God, did anyone read the referenced tweet? The down-votes are icing on the cake. And this is supposedly "hacker news". Sigh.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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I'm one of the authors of the post, we're trying to extend this work by crowdsourcing censorship measurements from different vantage points in India. We've compiled these tests into an android app, please consider running it if you live in India and would like to contribute to the research :) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.censorwatc... It's completely anonymous, doesn't require any permissions, an…

I’m from India, thanks for doing this.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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I remember visiting India as a kid with my family, and one of my cousins telling me about an America TV series that was banned. I didn't think much of it at the time, but as I've grown older, I've really come to appreciate the freedom of speech we have in America. I just wrote a post about it: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/why-i-no-longer-hate-amer... India is literally the largest democratic country by populati…

> I remember visiting India as a kid with my family, and one of my cousins telling me about an America TV series that was banned. I didn't think much of it at the time, but as I've grown older, I've really come to appreciate the freedom of speech we have in America. I just wrote a post about it:

Ummm what? America bans films and TV series too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_the_Un...

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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It isn’t clear from the article, but how do we circumvent this? Would a VPN work?

TLS1.3 + ESNI is a robust solution, Firefox has the option of enabling it. Cloudflare has a great page which allows to check this https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/ssl/encrypted-sni/

A couple of problems:

1. ESNI isn't a standard yet. So, support in mainstream web-clients is lacking.

2. Unfortunately, TLS v1.3 is blocked in countries with stringent censorship already.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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I remember visiting India as a kid with my family, and one of my cousins telling me about an America TV series that was banned. I didn't think much of it at the time, but as I've grown older, I've really come to appreciate the freedom of speech we have in America. I just wrote a post about it: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/why-i-no-longer-hate-amer... India is literally the largest democratic country by populati…

IMO: with limited freedom of speech you can't really have a functioning democracy, just something that resembles one and is temporarily stable.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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https://rsf.org/en/ranking It seems you are not that right.

In that ranking India is only 0.01 points ahead of pakistan. Does not pass my smell test about its methodology to be honest.

Sri Lanka ranking well ahead of India is an even bigger red flag.

Journalists and editors have been openly killed in Sri Lanka for opinion pieces that dared to tarnish the government.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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https://rsf.org/en/ranking It seems you are not that right.

In that ranking India is only 0.01 points ahead of pakistan. Does not pass my smell test about its methodology to be honest.

The difference is actually 0.19 points. You can read their description of press freedom in India https://rsf.org/en/india or of Pakistan https://rsf.org/en/pakistan and neither sounds that great.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Free speech is not about releasing every movie or TV show produced by entitled people. It's about free speech of common people. A person getting fired for a thing he/she commented a decade ago is not free speech. USA has lot to do with free speech which really matters. USA was top country regarding free speech in maybe 1980s but now, it needs to change it's policies to be one.

You’ve made a common mistake - constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech means freedom from the government restricting you from or persecuting you for speech. That does not mean citizens need to tolerate whatever you say. For example, a commenter on HN might break the rules and get banned by dang. Dang isn’t violating their constitutional rights, because dang/HN isn’t the government. [1] Similarly, trump the priv…

The problem in the US is that you have labor laws that do not protect workers, so private citizens have all the free speech in the world, but they can't use it out of fear of being fired. And there's no free speech in the work place as the boss can fire you on the spot for whatever. Do you then have free speech when it does not extend to the work place where you spend 1/3 of your day?
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