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You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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Re: You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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I honestly had no idea that wasn’t universal. Never thought twice about it.

Some people outside of NYC think it's rude the first time they hear it! No "please" or "may I" in sight.

Hah, and here I thought I only stick out when I ask for cawfee.

Re: You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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post #25

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Some people outside of NYC think it's rude the first time they hear it! No "please" or "may I" in sight.

In South Africa we will often say "hello" and "how are you?" before ordering, no exaggeration.

To be fair, the NYC version of that is “how ya doin’?”. You don’t wait for an answer though.

Re: You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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What makes you discount the role of sex? Honestly curious - it’s pervasive in workplace treatment issues across the gamut, but you discount it here? Why?

People get uncomfortable when they have to think about their privilege. It chips away at the bootstraps fantasy. As a white guy in a field that's mostly male i see this all the time. Lots of people's self worth seems to hinge on the ideal self-reliancy, so to recognize the unfairly positive treatment we receive is too much to bear for many. Instead, they expend their mental energy on finding ANY other passable explan…

what the heck are you talking about lol

Re: You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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i dont think her sex has anything to do with it. its a company culture thing. in some cultures interrupting is necessary to get heard even at the slightest, while at others people will outcast you as a 'different to work with'. in her next job, stuff might be totally different i've been in both cultures.

What makes you discount the role of sex? Honestly curious - it’s pervasive in workplace treatment issues across the gamut, but you discount it here? Why?

because i worked in both cultures and also with very strong women who regurarily topped men. its a culture thing, not a gender thing.

putting it on the sex takes responsibilty away and creates a victim role which is not necessary.

heck my last cfo was a wonder women. sharp as a knife and she pushed the company more than all other male leaders combined. and she was rude af which probably helped as everyone was alpha there

Re: You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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The most perplexing thing about New York English is the use of "on line" instead of "in line" when waiting for something.

A line is one dimensional, to stand "in" line implies more there is more than one.

Did a brief stint at our London office in the 90s and had a long debate with one of the locals about 'on' vs 'in.'

Re: You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people outside of NYC think it's rude the first time they hear it! No "please" or "may I" in sight.

Hah, and here I thought I only stick out when I ask for cawfee.

I have been often mocked when asking for a cup outside of the metro area! I means how the f else wouldja say it?

Re: You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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The most perplexing thing about New York English is the use of "on line" instead of "in line" when waiting for something.

I thought that was a Jersey thing. Never came across it until college when a Jersey person mentioned it. Sparked a nice debate around terminology and pronunciation in the group (otherwise made up of MA and CT).

From what I could tell it's a NYC and surrounding areas thing. I knew people from Westchester and Long Island that said it, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if people from NJ said it too.

Re: You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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Best New York slang is saying, "lemme get a" when you order hot food at a bodega.

Relevant lesson from the best teachers you could have for New York slang[1];-) It's the Beastie Boys teaching their Japanese interviewer how to say: "Lemme have a slice of pizza.". It's a funny and entertaining interview despite the interviewer being a bit cringe-worthy. In my opinion the interview is also worth watching, because it's a good lesson for how you treat a dialog partner that is nervous and overwhelmed in…

The cringe you are experiencing is due to interviewer not really speaking english.

Re: You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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The most perplexing thing about New York English is the use of "on line" instead of "in line" when waiting for something.

My Spanish wife often mixes up "on" and "in" when speaking English because there's a single word for both in Spanish - "en". As well as standing "on line" like New Yorkers, she often "bumps onto" people - because "you don't go inside the other person's body".

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Re: You Talkin’ to Me? The Unruly History of New York English

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The most perplexing thing about New York English is the use of "on line" instead of "in line" when waiting for something.

Prepositions is an inheritable flawed concept in all languages, like on the train, on the station, in the square. It should ideally be replaced with some transport inflection and lacking that just ignored when it is used for common phrases and not actual space positional markings.
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