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Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by vetinari »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #102
larrik wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can barely tell the difference between Excel and LibreOffice Calc with both of them open on the same computer...

"Then you haven’t really used excel beyond loading a CSV into a table." Bad example. I've brought LibreOffice to its knees after importing a CSV file: went to adjust a column width and it became non-responsive. And this was within the last year. They have done a lot of performance work on LibreOffice and I appreciate that, but it is a long way away from Excel for serious work. My favorite snag was on a plot with the…

Also bad example.

I've crashed Excel (2016 for Mac) trying to preview CSV I was about to import.

To Microsoft's credit, they eventually fixed it.

What still doesn't work (in Mac version) is ODBC driver for Postgresql (and maybe for other databases; it is shipped with MSSQL driver only). It will also crash Excel. So to work with psql data I have to export them into file and then import into Excel. I cannot have a query saved in the spreadsheet and just refresh it.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

qwertox wrote: post #70
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

I'm not sure if Windows 10's GUI is still a fluffy "it-just-works" GUI. Windows 7 did make a lot of sense, but configuring Windows 10 has become confusing. You have two versions of the configuration tools, the legacy one and the new HTML-like one, and the latter seems to be almost unusable because of how it is structured. Not to mention that the HTML-variant doesn't work when you VNC into a laptop which has its lid c…

Good evidence that Microsoft has already begun making Windows more like Linux Desktop.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

shock wrote: post #115
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fingerprint Drivers have never worked, outside the Lenovo specific spin.

My Dell Latitude's fingerprint sensor worked under Ubuntu in 2014.

Not sure how this is relevant to a discussion about Lenovo laptops

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by robbyt »

bugBunny wrote: post #43

The only reason I am still using windows is MS office. I might give it a try myself... My home machine is running Arch linux and works flawlessly for more then two years already. Just my work is still stucked with a lot of documentations sharing between some other people and I need MS office programs which have no alternative in open-source word. well, the office.com looks promising these days and I hope to switch co…

This reads like a Slashdot post from 1998.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by saberience »

jacquesm wrote: post #90
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So use Linux if you want an 'it just works' gui. It just works. I've been using Linux as my daily driver since just about forever and it works just fine. Very, very rarely do I hit the limitations of the system, usually this is when trying to do something weird such as running 8 sound cards in the same machine or some other strange hardware feat. But other than that it is very hard to find flaws in the day-to-day use…

Linux "just works" if you're a developer who posts on Hackernews. It doesn't work if you're my parents or older sister.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by Acinyx »

matkoniecz wrote: post #80
willis936 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really feel this. I manage about a hundred computers for scientists/students. Total free reign. Some want to use linux. I’m sorry, you will never have working audio. Oh. It looks like the available linux drivers don’t play nice with this sandy bridge mobo and the dm will fail to initialize. The list goes on. Never have I seen lack of hardware support on windows. I think that’s the essence of “just works” here.

"you will never have working audio" - what you mean by that? Some specific software not working on Linux or complete lack of audio? I run into some cases of software refusing to run on Linux (though curiously, I switched to Linux due to software refusing to work on Windows). I run into wifi/printer issues (but both on Linux and Windows) and I managed Linux to Work, while Windows remained resistant to debugging and ke…

One example I found recently is bluetooth headsets: On Windows it by defaults uses the high quality audio output profile, but switches to "headset" profile when an app requires a microphone and picks the headset. On Linux (Ubuntu to be precise) you have to manually pick the profile somewhere deep in Pulse, making the usage of the microphone pretty hard as you first have to figure out how to change it and secondly need to manually change it every time you get into and out of a call. I quickly gave up and now use a separate mic.

Its all kind of small things like this that make Linux grind just a little bit more for me than Windows, not saying Windows doesn't have its issues though, just a lot less.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by flightllessbird »

JamesSwift wrote: post #104

Sorry for the ignorance, but what does this mean? I understand from the article that the patch allows the full Hyper-V stack to run on a linux-based machine (as opposed to previously needing windows to run the root partition). But what does _that_ mean to have the ability to run Hyper-V entirely on linux? Is it just a "good to have options" thing?

It allows them to run a bare metal (type 1) hypervisor instead of a VM on top of Windows.

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by jasonlotito »

severino wrote: post #35
aunty_helen wrote: post #3

>Windows 10 is on a path to becoming a hybrid Windows/Linux system This sounds promising, something closer to OSX would give apple competition for devs like myself that want a linux based system and a fluffy "it-just-works" gui

So what's wrong with Linux if you want a Linux based system? I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work"; of course I try to avoid exotic hardware components, but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

> I don't remember the last time I got a Linux desktop which didn't "just work";

I can. I have a laptop with a high-DPI screen. It can output to a second monitor. Setting that second monitor up is relatively easy (though not as simple as it is on Windows or Mac), though getting the desktop to play nicely with a high-DPI screen and a non-highDPI screen doesn't just work. It basically becomes unusable at that point. The laptop was sold with Linux installed by default.

> but the truth is that you can run into driver problems and issues too when running operating systems you pay money for, like Windows.

Yes. Though, I haven't had that problem in years. And when I last had that problem, my solution was literally just upgrading the driver.

Listen, I've hand coded XFree86 config files back in the day to get three monitors up and running on a Slackware system. It's gotten better. But it doesn't "just work."

Re: Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete Hyper-V on Linux

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Post by whoopdedo »

jacquesm wrote: post #93
nicoburns wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, etc. It was actually workable with wine a few years back, but that was before everything went to an auto-updating subscription model.

That is not really Linux' fault though. If you all keep buying this auto-updating subscription crap you are sending the signal to the companies involved that you bought in to their view. The only way to make them reconsider is to stop using it.

No one was given the choice. Or the choice was to "upgrade" to a subscription or throw away the technical investment in the platform, starting from scratch with a new and unfamiliar and usually less capable software.
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